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“…is
to accept the fact that the PS WILL
happen….”
Jan
Rypdal
Countdown
T minus Five months
At
the “five month” to poleshift stage Mr Rypdal still frequents the
lists which is interesting as you would think he would be off somewhere
preparing for Nancy’s scenario.
From:
Jan (not@home.com)
Subject:
Re: Planet x: Dec 13, 14 images
Newsgroups:
sci.astro
Date:
2002-12-16 00:02:56 PST
"Michael
L Cunningham" wrote:
>
It's a VERY small inner group now. Only the hard-core bozos are sticking
with Nancy now. Notice Jan has completely stopped posting to tt-watch or
this group. He was the biggest Zeta defender less than a year ago.<
I wouldn't jump to conclusions like
that, Mike.
I have been on the road for most of Q4, so unfortunately I missed both
the Leonids and the Eclipse. (I was recently in SA, but had to leave
just a few days before the 4th. I heard it was overcast in Kruger Park
though, so I didn't miss any of the action.) My "silence" has
been mostly due to lack of time, but also that my interest for low-level
childish argumentation with the sci.astro debunkers is steadily
diminishing. I must say though, that I find cases like our Hawaiian
nitpicker quite interesting from a psychological viewpoint, just as the
obsession you guys seem to have with ZetaTalk.
As you may have noted, I have been skeptical of the imaging &
analysis so far. I have noted however that according to the discussions
here on sci.astro, there seems to be something on the Dec 4 images. I
have just downloaded the Dec 13 & 14 images to check them out for
myself.
However, my general opinion about the possibility of a pole shift or the
existence of Planet X or Nibiru has not changed a bit, nor has my
general position on ZetaTalk. I find most of the information there
extremely interesting, to-the-point, and giving better explanations to a
number of mysteries on Earth than any other source I have found. (Some
restructuring to ease the navigation through the maze could be useful,
though.)
I also find that in general, the ZetaTalk predictions for Earth changes
prior to the predicted passing of Planet X are pretty much on target, as
are all the predicted "Planet X" stories popping up these
days, pointing away from Nibiru. Alas, my plans for May 2003 have not
changed.
Regards,
Jan
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From:
Jan (not@home.com)
Subject:
Re: sci.astro.amateur and ZetaCult
posts
Newsgroups:
sci.astro
Date:
2002-12-21 16:12:02 PST
"John
Jones" wrote:
>
Do you think maybe Jan is gonna pull a Hermann Goering and try to make a
last-minute deal with the Zetas, while claiming authority to speak on
Nancy's behalf?<
I have
no direct link to the Zetas or any other similar source of information. Nor
do I ever speak on behalf of anyone else,
or let anyone else speak on my behalf (except for my lawyer, that is).
And I will of course never claim any
authority to speak on Nancy's behalf.
For organizations, companies or projects in which I have a role to play,
I will speak for such bodies according to my role. In this respect, I
will of course speak for Troubled Times as a VP and Internal Auditor if
& when needed.
>> He still won't answer the
questions, though.<<
What questions? I have not engaged in
any debate here for a while, and I cannot recall any relevant questions
to which I would owe anyone here any answers.
> Indeed. What *are* Jan's plans for
the final days? Why is he so secretive about them?<
If by "final days" you refer
to May 2003, there are of course 2 main alternatives:
* If the Planet X sightings
continue to be questionable, and no red cross shows up in the sky, then
things will pretty much continue as today.
I may need to pay some more attention to my pension plan, and the
Troubled Times Board of Directors may need to decide what to do with the
non-profit organization. Except for that, business as usual.
* If Planet X shows up in the sky as predicted, then I will be off to a
geologically safe spot on high grounds. The exact location will of
course only be revealed on a need-to-know basis, to avoid the a**h**es
of the world turning up and try to take advantage of my preparations.
[He
doesn’t believe and is edging his bets to cover both possibilities,
hardly strong conviction from the disciple of Nancy, tt-treasurer and
head moderator, although even this is a climb down as an earlier Jan
would never hinted as much let alone say it.]
For further information on the nature of such preparations, please
consult http://www.troubled-times.com.
While the sightings and imaging do not yet give any conclusive evidence
as to the whereabouts of Planet X, the rest of the predictions with
respect to the erratic weather, failing economy, political scams etc.
are pretty much on target.
I can think of a number of possibilities for the incorrect predictions
concerning the mid-2002 visibility in amateur scopes, including a number
of tactical reasons. I will not speculate any further about this at this
time.
However, with respect to whether Planet X may turn up in May or not,
ZetaTalk has stated that our calculations for the Planet X speed through
our solar system have been off, and that it will pass through faster
than what we would expect. This in turn could indicate that it is still
so far out that sightings and imaging are difficult.
The Science section of ZetaTalk (http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s31.htm)
states: "When [Planet X] is passing your Sun it is moving rapidly,
the time spent within your outer planet Saturn's orbit a mere 3
months."
And somewhere in the Sightings part it states that once Planet X comes
as close to Earth as Pluto, we will no longer see a red and a white
persona separately. Since the images allegedly show both a red and a
white persona, and there are almost 5 months to go, Planet X should
still be quite a bit further out than Pluto.
My viewpoints about Planet X and a potential pole shift are based on a
number of sources including ZetaTalk. However, the passing date of May
2003 is based on ZetaTalk only. Whether that holds true or not will be
shown in the next 5 months.
Regards,
Jan
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From:
enterprise2002 (Brian.gillbanks@btinternet.com)
Subject:
Re: sci.astro.amateur and ZetaCult posts
Newsgroups:
sci.astro
Date:
2002-12-22 13:35:01 PST
"Jan"
<not@home.com> wrote
>>
I have no direct link to the Zetas or any other similar source of
information. Nor do I ever speak on behalf of anyone else, or let
anyone else speak on my
behalf (except for my lawyer, that is).
What about your alleged "Starchild"
links, Jan? It isn't exactly what you say on the TT website.
>> And I will of course never
claim any authority to speak on Nancy's behalf.
For organizations, companies or projects in which I have a role
to play, I will speak for
such bodies according to my role. In this respect, I will of course
speak for Troubled Times as a VP and Internal Auditor if & when
needed.<<
What a crock of shit. Your skill at
lying hasn't improved. How about all those on TT you claim to represent
being "Head moderator", judge, jury and executioner? And what
about your role in Nancy's TT takeover, during that election farce where
you and Milly actually polled less than the existing moderators, yet
were elected anyway by Nancy? Claiming to speak on behalf of others even
back then. (Remember your words are recorded in the archives, despite
their selected removal, but luckily now updated to my new own personal
website for all posterity. You can check it out when I'm finished,
you're one of the principle characters.)
>> I
may need to pay some more attention to my pension plan, and
the Troubled Times Board of Directors may need to decide
what to do with the non-profit organization. Except for
that, business as usual.<<
You might want to consider life
insurance. Remember Christer is still out there.
>> * If Planet X shows up in the
sky as predicted, then I will be off to a geologically safe spot on high
grounds. The exact location will of course only be
revealed on a need-to-know basis, to avoid the a**h**es of
the world turning up and try to take advantage of my
preparations.<<
So when you going Jan? There's only
five months left. Shouldn't you be getting the worms ready or something
instead of playing the same old game here? When can we expect to no
longer hear from you? I only want to know so we can plan a celebration
or something? (God I hope it's this week. And please take Nancy and the
Zetadrones with you.)
On the other hand, on what date will
you suddenly decide you've been wasting your time? January? Feb? March?
September? 2010? You certainly don't sound very skeptical yet. What's it
going to take to rock your world? And how you going to handle being a
"nobody" again? All that limelight and self importance
extinguished in the blink of an eye. No 12th planet, no zeta's, nothing,
or will you still cling to the concepts assimilated by the
"Borg" queen?
>> While the sightings and
imaging do not yet give any conclusive evidence as
to the whereabouts of Planet X, the rest of the predictions with
respect to the erratic weather, failing economy, political scams etc.
are pretty much
on target.<<
Hello, what planet do you live on?
Predictions? The only one she can hold any credit for would be the
weather, as to the rest, you could have made better predictions based on
the way the world was swinging. Next she'll be predicting Bush and Blair
will definitely be invading IRAQ, as if no one could possibly see that
one coming. You must be more gullible than even I gave you credit for.
What about the crop shortages predicted from as far back as 1995, which
no one seems to be able to find, accept in some government cover-up from
invisible sources and which cannot be verified, or was that another
"white lie"? God I won't even go into the rest. (This post's
got to go on my site so you can refresh your memory to show the actual
crap you've been spouting prior to May 2003)
>> I can think of a number of
possibilities for the incorrect predictions
concerning the mid-2002 visibility in amateur scopes, including a
number of tactical reasons. I will not speculate any further about this
at this time.<<
Tactical yes, its called bullshit to
prolong the myth. They'll probably claim the predicted date was a
tactical manoeuvre, a dummy run for all those awakening. And you'll
peddle it just like you are now?
Tell me Jan, why isn't Nancy taking
the images to the media so the general public can be made aware? Why is
she still sitting on them on a third rate site, the vast majority have
never heard of, posting to a group of totally uninterested amateur
astronomers, instead of approaching reputable scientific research groups
already looking for the mythical 12th? And why is it no one seems to
want to answer that particular question? Come to think of it why haven't
you tried? Why not Art Bell or Jeff Rense? Isn't the most important
issue awareness, even if it turns out to be a false alarm surely at
least someone will have tried? Ah, but then you're full of bullshit too.
Pretending
you're on the road is a good way of dodging hot issues isn't it?
Especially if you're not around when Nancy opens her oversized big gob
and drops you all in it.
>> However, with respect to
whether Planet X may turn up in May or not,
ZetaTalk has stated that our calculations for the Planet X speed
through our solar system have been off, and that it will pass through
faster than what we would
expect. This in turn could indicate that it is still so far out that
sightings and imaging are difficult.<<
Well of course it will. Based on
those "images" it's still a long way off, hence the crap over
magnitude, so it's got to come in faster to explain the distance
discrepancy, although no one here will buy it.
>> And somewhere in the Sightings
part it states that once Planet X comes as
close to Earth as Pluto, we will no longer see a red and a white
persona separately. Since the images allegedly show both a red and a
white persona, and there are almost 5 months to go, Planet X should
still be quite a bit further out than Pluto.<<
None of you have explained why there
is a "white" persona present on the images when filtering
specifically for red, isolating wavelengths only within the lower
frequency bands and neither have any of you explained why this
occurrence is only apparent on the 12th planet and not present on every
other object contained on the CCD images. Care to elaborate? (Of course
you won't.)
Tell me Jan, do you really think all this effort has achieved its goal?
Has somehow alerted and awakened enough poor, unsuspected souls that
frequent here when time could have been better spent attempting similar
manoeuvres elsewhere. Can you really justify Nancy's actions in posting
here? After all there is no proof this intrusion has achieved anything.
There's no evidence of mass migration over to the TT groups by the
scientific community, except those intent on paying Nancy back. Have you
never questioned her obsession? Now be honest.
Still do you think you'll pop back after May and apologise? (Not that
you'll feel any need, perfect is what perfect does, but then I can
imagine what everyone will be saying around that time should you dare.)
Five months and counting. I'm excited, how about you?
Brian (Angel Isle)
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From:
Jan (not@home.com)
Subject:
Re: sci.astro.amateur and ZetaCult posts
Newsgroups:
sci.astro
Date:
2002-12-21 17:17:46 PST
"O'Brother"
wrote:
Hi
Jan,
Despite
what you've said above, I believe you've warmed yourself beside the Zeta
campfire enough to answer a few topical questions regarding Px.
Especially since you've often shown your propensity to side with
those that 'claim' to see
it. As such, it'll be very helpful if you'd translate
a bit of Zetan science for those of us who haven't been so
favored as you.<<
My information about Planet X comes
from a number of sources, but ZetaTalk is the largest and latest source
both with respect to quantity and quality, as well as the only source
predicting the date for its next passing, May 2003.
However, I do not possess any additional information that would help
clarify any of the issues. Many of the issues have been addressed by
ZetaTalk, but probably for tactical reasons ignored, and the questions
put forth even though answers have been provided. E.g. why continue to
hammer on with respect to the magnitude, when ZetaTalk has admitted that
the initial claim for magnitude 2 was intentionally incorrect?
Nor would I have any hopes that any such answers would have helped any,
as the questions are obviously designed for debunking purposes, and not
honest attempts to understand if indeed there is an inbound planetary
body.
> PS: Since you seem to
want to distance yourself lately, please excuse me
for not giving you a 'custom edit' of the questions.<
I do not in any way "distance
myself" from anything. My viewpoints on ZetaTalk, Planet X and the
imaging are exclusively based on my own observations and evaluations.
Since there is nothing conclusive yet about Planet X at the given
coordinates, there are of course more than one possibility, which I have
merely pointed out.
> You'll get the idea from though
- please answer up. I've added you to the list of questionees so your
response will be a significant step towards the TRUTH.<
I have no indication whatsoever that
you or any of the other ZetaTalk debunkers have any intention of
providing or revealing any "TRUTH", only doing your best to
discredit ZetaTalk and the current imaging. Instead, why don't you start
searching the sky for Planet X yourself?
<snip>
> Especially as one of the
officers of the not-for-profit corporation supporting a HOAX which could
have monetary consequences for TT and
Zetatalk would seem to put you in a tough situation, answer
carefully mon ami!<
I do not see any hoax here. ZetaTalk
has provided coordinates, images have been taken, and their contents
being debated.
Likewise, there have been discussions about some of the information
provided by ZetaTalk. Whether this information is correct or not has no
legal or monetary relevance with respect to Troubled Times Inc., who is
an independent organization. However, if the Planet X information should
turn out to be incorrect, then much of the purpose for Troubled Times
Inc. would disappear. Only the continued imaging of the given
coordinates for Planet X will give us the answer.
Regards,
Jan
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