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“If
one is going to tell a fairy tale, one tells it far out rather than with
any basis of validation, and in that way validation is never a challenge
or a worry.” Nancy
Lieder Zetatalk
and TT Origins As
already explained Nancy teamed up with Ron Darby to initialise the start
of Zetatalk and TT. Shortly after Nancy bought the property in Wisconsin
and Ron moved in as a guest to begin work on the various TT-Inc
projects. Ron
Darby incident Ron
Darby, close friend to Nancy, former Internal Auditor of the TT-INC,
then Treasurer, deposed in 1999 and later replaced by Nancy’s new
favourite Jan Rypdal.
“Some
of you have been around long enough to recall that I have frequently
stated that my involvement with ZetaTalk was strictly by means of
consciously “suspension of disbelief.” Nancy has always known this
and it has frequently caused conflict between us. It wasn’t until I
was living and working in Wisconsin that I slipped into a “true
believer.” Rather
than go into detail myself I thought it better to let Ron speak for
himself: “Why
did I accept Nancy’s invitation to move to Wisconsin and live at her
home? I wanted to work on an ambitious list of projects. It was also
hinted that I would be made Project Manager for building her son’s
patented Dome Project. That’s what really convinced me.
The
initial reason why I left was because I was kicked out. Oh, it was done
in a slick way; but that’s what happened.
Below
is a copy of the Zetatalk statement to Ron that led to his removal from
both Nancy’s residence in Wisconsin and the Troubled Times Inc. His
own comments can be found underneath each highlighted section. The original can be found at http://www.skepticalmind.com/rob_darby_incident.html Zeta Statement: “Nancy
has asked for an update on the situation, in light of her recent sense
of urgency. Where she has recall of sessions with MJ12, shouting
sessions with Ron, she is not aware of other ultimatums and decisions
and is looking for the broader picture we might be able to supply. The
whole picture, which we are aware of, is not something we can supply,
but we will relay what we are able without breaching our agreements. Our
view of what is occurring at present is a pissing contest between Ron
and MJ12. In this Nancy and Kurt are caught in the middle, unable to do
little except agonise. What is this pissing contest all about? Beyond
what we have relayed before, that MJ12 made a decision in early summer
regarding the nonprofit being integral to nancy’s home where Zetatalk
and Slide Lock are headquartered, and that Ron has resisted, almost
entirely, ANY changes being made, there is nothing new to report. The
contest has moved along however, with Ron firmly convinced he holds the
winning cards. Ron views himself as integral to the nonprofit, an anchor
and hub without which the nonprofit would not move forward. This view is
heavily meshed with a need to have such a relationship, from a personal
security standpoint, as much as it is from any benefit the noneprofit
secures from his considerable experience and intelligence. In
the past, in this lifetime, Ron’s experience with the military and CIA
have shown him that a pit-bull approach when one is a key team member
can result in sudden victory.” Yes,
I was in the USMC during Vietnam. With the exception of 12 years that I
worked at the University of Mississippi School of Medicine, I've spent
my entire career working with the military and CIA. However, this
statement only reflects Nancy's unalterable view of the two. The entire
notion of the pit-bull is entirely false and more likely to get one a
court-martial. The Z's totally blew it here. “Very
seldom, if one is a vital member of the team, does the pit bull lose. He
views himself as vital to the nonprofit, which he views as vital to the
establishment hopes for civilian survival camps capable of providing a
carry-on government with any kind of base whatsoever. In this he has
misjudged. Nancy
is aware that the press for a media campagn has accelerated, and has
taken steps to facilitate using the 30 minute documentary to be of a
quality sufficient for major TV outlets. In that she seems to be focused
on seed collection at the moment is a diversion, taking away her worry,
as she can do little else to effect change in this pissing contest where
she is caught in the gears but not at the controls. She has little
sympathy for personal security concerns over the overall mission,
however and her loyalties will go with an educational outreach, NOT a
single individual’s personal concerns. She can be expected to
cooperate with MJ12, not with Ron, a fact he has not yet fully grasped.
Ron feels, because of his assistance to Nancy in the past and
the loyalty most women in his life
has shown him, that she will
refuse to cooperate with MJ12 until he is comfortable.” There
have been 3 women in my life, and they all three abandoned me. Some
loyalty ugh? “This
comfort includes welding her into any final outcome, so that the
nonprofit, and he, can never be considered a separate entity from
Zetatalk or Slide
Lock.” Notice
the mention of Slide Lock. Recall, early on I was "banned"
from any connection with Slide Lock, even though it was the lure that I
would be made a Project Manager for Slide Lock that she used to help
influence me to go to Wisconsin in the first place. “He
feels not only that he is vital to the establishment’s plans for
civilian survival camps, but
has a lock on Nancy’s loyalty.
In this he has also misjudged.” Lock
on Nancy's loyalty? I don't think there was one entire day during my
stay that we didn't have at least one shouting match. I couldn't count
the number of times that I expected to be leaving the next day. “Where
MJ12’s requirement that the noneprofit’s exposure to the media NOT
result in security problems at Nancy’s home first took the path of
discussions in early summer, to a staring contest in mid-summer, to
ultimatums now at end of summer, it has become clear to MJ12 that they
are dealing not with an impossible situation but a single individual
Ron, not the nonprofit structure, is viewed as the problem. “In
seeing Nancy’s devotion to Kurt, Ron has determined that being
handicapped, so that abandonment of him would cause guilt, would be the
way to ensure a continuing connection to Zetatalk and Slide Lock, and
thus insurance of a personal role in a secure environment.
Thus he has failed to get health insurance, misplacing papers and
failing to take steps that he alone can take.” I
couldn't get health insurance because of "pre-existing
conditions" and she totally understood that. The "misplaced
papers" refers to the Tittle to my car, which was in my wife's name
and which she had and would not transfer to me. “Without
insurance, he can injure himself on her premises and out of guilt, he
would be allowed to stay, so he assumes. Thus he has failed to get his
car registered, putting steps toward this end aside for a full 9 months,
as this puts him into a position of having to use her cars.” I
couldn't register my car because I couldn't get the Title transferred to
my name. I eventually had to tow it from Wisconsin to Austin. Then it
sat at my daughter's house until I eventually had the police tow it away
as abandoned ... a perfect running Mercury Cougar with only 65,000 miles
on it. “He
reasons that this forces MJ12 to supply security to nancy’s home,
rather than create a separation between Nancy and the nonprofit, as
Nancy would not refuse him a loaned car or van. Since all steps to
create the environment MJ12 wants before an intense media campaign
occurs have been taken, except for those steps Ron himself is required
to do, MJ12
has come to decisions about Ron’s involvement in the nonprofit.” If
any of you remembers the email at the time, Nancy portrayed herself as
being surprised that I had decided to leave Wisconsin, suggesting that I
set up an office in Baraboo. It's even in the TT Inc. Minutes and
meeting log at the time and on the web for all to view. “The
nonprofit, to continue, needs funding, administrative skills, and
volunteers. It has all of this without Ron, though all transactions are
bumpy and he would be Missed. Funding
will simply not be forethcoming unless MJ12’s wishes are fully met,
but this would not be apparent to Ron until the noneprofit has become
ashes, as MJ12 has come to realize.” I
still have
the QuickBooks files of the Treasury as of the time that I left. Even
though I suddenly and totally withdrew from all contact and association
with the nonprofit, the record shows that the funding stopped anyway and
has not resumed. This is also clearly reflected on the TT Inc. web site. “Administration
skills are available within the pool of responsible nonprofit members,
and a bookkeeping service can replace a Treasurers skills for a fee.
The headquarters can likewise be
no more than a rented office,
even a service where a person answering service support many businesses.” At
the time I was presented with this, I was actively looking for office
space for the Inc. in Baraboo, and a place in Baraboo for me to move to.
I had been offered a job at Radio Shack which I was planning to accept. “Many
small businesses require such services and they exist likewise for a
fee. The
projects would also proceed without Ron, as they did before he arrived
after having been distracted by his relationship with Mim.” I
can't avoid blowing my own horn here, because it is fact. Before I
arrived in Wisconsin, there were NO projects. While I was there I was
able to accomplish some of the things I wanted to do. Reference: http://www.troubled-times.org/aquaculture/index.htm http://www.troubled-times.org/hydroponics/index.htm http://www.troubled-times.org/worms/ http://www.troubled-times.org/radio/ Of
particular note, not one of these has been updated since I left,
although they are totally under Nancy's control, she is supposedly still
working the first two and should be updating them with on-going current
information. Of particular note is the last one. There have recently
been several posts bemoaning the fact that no radio training is
happening. I made a good start at it and left a clear logical structure
at the radio topic for addition of continuing lessons. Not one word has
been added. Even access to it is buried so deep that most people would
never find it ... it took me a while and I knew where it was supposed to
be. All the above are on the same web site as all of ZetaTalk, Troubled
Times, and TT Inc. “The
noneprofit would survive
Ron’s loss, a fact MJ12 is solidly certain. Thus MJ12 which is
primarily a military organisation, is faced
with a stubborn man refusing to comply with their orders.” This
statement is so totally opposite my character and past extensive history
that it is ludicrous. If I could be faulted for anything along these
lines, it would be a tendency to blindly follow the orders of my
superiors. “This
is a situation familiar enough to all involved so that the outcome is
certain. A
time frame of 30 days has been announced by September 20th,
for Ron to fully comply with their expectations of him or suffer the
consequences. These consequencies will not leave him able to recover,
for some months or years, to the point where he can present a challenge
again. In
essence, they
will take him out,
promptly and firmly and in a manner that will NOT involve Nancy or Kurt
in any guilt cycles.” Well,
I did fully comply within a week by totally removing myself. It's
interesting, however, that I did suffer circumstances from which I have
not yet recovered. I don't believe that it had anything to do with any
MJ12, though. I suffered from mental illness long before any contact
with Nancy and her Z's and the supposed MJ12 connection. In addition, I
very well could have chosen, once in Austin to actively oppose Nancy. I
had become good friends of the person who controlled the funds of the
Eula Dula Foundation ... the very one which was supposed to supply all
that money, and which did supply so much money while I was in Wisconsin.
I was supposed to make contact with this person, (he lives in Houston)
once I got to Austin; but chose not to do so. Quite honestly, I suspect
that is the reason why the money stopped. We actually were good friends
and he was heavily relying upon me to advise him on his own
preparations. Well, "they" didn't "take me out" ...
I did so myself, and am so very glad I did. It wasn't easy to abandon a
belief system which had so consumed every waking moment for almost two
years; but the longer and further I was away from it, the easier it was
to see that which I didn't want to see before. “Guilt
manipulation, or seeming pathetic, will not work in the outcome that has
been presented to Ron, else he would not be complying at all with their
expectations as he has been in part on the need to register his car”. She
really was hung up on that car registration and was in total denial of
the fact that there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it. “The
outcome is not something we can discuss. We can relay that it would be
something Ron could not resist, could fight, and would in essence be a
tidal wave of forces and factors that would devastate him on many
fronts. The forces and factors would be so far removed from Nancy and
Kurt that they would under no circumstances be considered abandoning Ron
or being anything but his friend. He would however, cease to be a factor
in the forward thrust MJ12 is busy designing. In this. He would have no
one but himself to blame, as he has been a party to all discussions, had
many warnings, and has, as with Ichi and Clipper, been arrogant in his
view that he could not be removed and could not control Nancy’s
actions. Pride goeth before a fall, and history repeats itself.” There
are two things here. First, one has to recall discussions and warnings
to act upon them. I never had any recall of anything remotely resembling
contacts with anyone or anything outside my daily work. The second thing
I would point out is the mention of Clipper. If Clipper only know what
she really thought about him, I wonder how loyal he would remain. He's
been told some ... I told him long ago. Ever since he brought his family
for a visit and resisted the stupid way Nancy wanted him to fix the
cottage door, she was convinced that he was out to take control of the
Inc. I would bet the little cash I own that she feels the same now as
then. (Clipper,
ex Vice President Elect,
is owner and moderator of some of the tt-groups.) Dome
Projects “Reading
ZT or looking at the web site for Kurt's dome one gets the impression
that much more has been accomplished than actually has. When I was
first there Nancy was happy for me to work with Kurt. I
accompanied Kurt to visit the only potential manufacturing company to
learn of their process and what would be required from Kurt and to get
ball-park pricing. Kurt's patent is limited to a variation of a
"dove-tail" joint for interconnecting two panels. When I
arrived Kurt had two prototype panels for the purpose of demonstrating
the interlocking mechanism. The panels were flat instead of curved
as would be required. The molding of these panels was done with
rubber molds which could not meet the exacting tolerances
required. These two panels would NOT slide together. To
achieve the required tolerances would require two aluminum molds which
cost about $8000 per mold; and two molds would be required for every
horizontal "layer" of the dome. The panels are 1 foot
square, so you can see that a pair of molds would be required for every
foot of circumference divided by two. This places the cost of even
a very small prototype in the millions of dollars.
The
problem that Nancy couldn't control was that she always went to bed
around 7pm and Kurt, Ichi, and I would sit in the basement all night
talking about the dome among other things. As Ichi learned of my
concerns and realized the real costs involved he realized that he didn't
have but a small fraction of the cost of a prototype ... and with
Nancy's "shortcuts" that the dome wouldn't likely even
work. I felt it my "duty" to at least inform Ichi of my
concerns and what I did know. Eventually, Ichi told Nancy he
couldn't afford the prototype. At this point Nancy could no longer
deny or ignore the fundamental costs of just the moulds.
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