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“Our
general advice to mankind it to evaluate
other communications in accordance with
their proven validity.” Nancy
Lieder
My
involvement began mid to late 1999, not long before Ron’s departure,
after finding Zetatalk, contacting Nancy and being directed to the TT-groups.
By then TT was in full swing, so to speak, so I concentrated on helping
as much as I could. This took the form of contributing survival sets,
directing traffic, (topics) onto the right groups and acting as guardian
for newcomers venturing into the path of the less than sympathetic older
membership. (Basically they had grown tired of seeing the same old
questions cropping up continually from the “newbies”.) Later with
the help of others we initiated the start of a new group tt-welcome,
dedicated to handle first time members, although many by-passed it
anyway going straight onto the other groups.) Sci-Astro Sci-Astro
is an amateur based astronomy discussion group. For some unfathomable
reason Nancy decided to begin posting Zeta material there after Hale
Bopp became visible to the naked eye, that topic being one of the Zetas
predictions, in that she maintained it was not a comet but a super-nova.
(Zeta
Prophesy) Nancy’s
Involvement with Sci-astro Prior
to my arrival Nancy’s involvement with sci-astro was kept pretty much
off the tt-groups. However this soon changed as she felt the need to
share her so called “victories” with the membership. To facilitate
this she selected tt-watch, the only discussion group she actually
frequented, which was not what the group was originally intended. (TT-watch
is a news based discussion group, highlighting current events likely to
show the existence of the 12th planet or indications of any
alien presence.) Despite that Nancy would intrude, to most everyone’s
frustration, updating everyone with her latest antics over on the
astronomy-based group. Unfortunately she brought with her several very
angry visitors from sci-astro intent on disturbing TT with the same type
of disruption Nancy was inflicting on them and for quite a while this
had great effect on the quantity and quality of postings.
(See tt-invasion)
Although in hindsight I can appreciate the level of feeling at the time
as her methods, quite frankly would have seen her banned even on her own
group. Luckily for her sci-astro is un-moderated with no restrictions so
she can pretty much do and say what she wants. Hale-Bopp
Zetatalk:Hale
Bopp http://www.zetatalk.com/halebopp/hb000001.htm “There
was a contest between what the Zetas have said about the expected return
of the 12th Planet and Hale-Bopp enthusiasts. Hale-Bopp enthusiasts
claimed it to be the Millennium Comet, but the Zetas have called this a
False Comet touted to distract a potentially frightened populace from
the 12th Planet's approach, and have stated that Hale-Bopp in late July,
1995 was in fact an exploding star since the appearance of Hale-Bopp
looked more like a supernova than a comet. You decide, as here are the
Definitions and what astronomers reported on the massive Size that Hale-Bopp
suddenly assumed, the Stellar appearance that Hale-Bopp presented in
1995, the total lack of comet Emissions coming from Hale-Bopp in 1995,
the lack of a significant Orbit in 1995, and the fact that Hale-Bopp was
to be Hidden before its time!” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cnov1602.htm “Early
in the game the Hale-Bopp ploy was used, and in truth Nancy was under
the impression until last in the game that there WAS no comet!” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com The
Nancy boy’s (and girls) Despite
the seriousness and urgency of the subject there has been very little
serious “debate” on the part if the
zeta-faithful, with only a few attempting to discuss the matter rather
than “hit and run,” conduct a monolog or simply spend their time
disrupting and name calling. Granted sci-astro can be no better, but
when faced with nothing more than prime examples of an obsessive belief,
only interested in forcing their own opinion based on little more than
rumor and conjecture to back themselves up, they tend to get very
frustrated and return like with like. Zeta
“disinfo” merchants As
with all good hero’s there has to be the inevitable “villain’s”,
complete with black hat and evil grin, and Zetatalk, Nancy and TT are no
exception. Since its conception there have been those she has placed
into this hall of fame and although Charlene and JosX started in the “pro”
camp they were soon relegated into the “con” when things didn’t go
according to Nancy’s plan. These also included: Ron Darby, Clipper
Ordiway, whom Nancy practically denounced as a “devil,” Laura
McDonald, Shaul Volkov (Sol)
and George Gantner. Others also considered in this vain who are still
active are: Mark
Hazlewood
Sapphire
And
finally me, as I have also visited the sci-astro groups and engaged in
battle, so to speak, as well as including her in my own website, so I
must inevitably also fall into that category, but then we are old
adversaries and I am pretty used to the title given to me by her
faithful so it hardly matters. Which brings me to the tt-groups, who’s
behavior has been less than exemplary as I’m sure you’ve realised by
now. TT-Groups The
groups, despite what anyone may think and considering their subject
matter, were no different than any other e-mail, discussion group. TT-forum
dealt with the heavy, survival set solutions, building shelters,
weapons, food-stuffs, clothing etc, etc. TT-Watch all the latest news,
covering a wide range of topics, from alien and conspiracy all the way
through to 12th planet indicators. TT-social, dealt with
social issues, such as concerns, emotional problems, perhaps simple
fears over the possible pole shift scenario, to perhaps a TV program
someone watched on any particular day, in fact almost anything while TT-Welcome,
(formally tt-gossip,) welcomed new members into the fold and answered
time honored questions that would inevitably crop up over and over
again, however none of us attempted to sway belief in Nancy’s favor,
if they had doubts we asked nothing more than what we ourselves were
doing and that was to look elsewhere, take nothing as gospel and most
importantly make up their own minds. (Most of us were not in business of
convincing anyone.) Everything
pretty basic and nothing in the least bit sinister. Granted it had its
problems, but nothing, not experienced anywhere else. Moderation was
none existent and the “posse” spent more time joining in on the
discussions rather than clamping down on its membership. In fact most of
them were pretty easy going individuals, who were first to give help and
advice, or lend support when one or more of the membership were feeling
a little down. Joining in back then anyone would have barely believed we
were preparing for the near total annihilation of humanity. Our intent
was to get everyone involved, including those lurking in the background,
although this was made doubly difficult due to the constant bickering,
ridicule and name calling initiated by some of the older more
established members intent on claiming all the limelight for themselves.
One need only glimpse the current atmosphere to notice the total lack of
membership contributions to understand just how controlled the tt-groups
are now.
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