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“The
false claim, however, will not hold up under intense questioning, as
with all lies the truth become entangled in the many embellishments that
elaborate lies require, and contradictions emerge.” Nancy
Lieder Zeta
discrepancies and contradictions
Nancy Anyone
who has been around long enough, listened or bothered to check, will
find that the biggest contradiction is Nancy herself. Emissary to a race
of super-intelligent, caring and wholly selfless alien greys, she has
demonstrated through her own words and deeds the exact opposite, in fact
the epitome of everything she, herself has described, throughout the
passages contained in Zetatalk as STS, the evil, selfish orientation. (See
also Nasty Nancy.) Indeed one need only visit the TT archives to see
that these same traits are displayed not only by her, but all those
claiming to be her “Zeta faithful”, as well as her own TT-Inc
disciples. Showing no patience, no tolerance, no compassion and
certainly no understanding, their only excuse, that time is growing
short and circumstances desperate. And it is these same individuals that
profess to be humanity’s salvation, that if they should survive, they
will lead mankind to its destined utopian future.
Yet behave like selfish, intolerant children while in the
relative calm and quite of a pre-apocalyptic dawn, so God help anyone
who might cross their paths in the light of a nightmare Armageddon
scenario. The
“Word” The
aim and purpose of the Zeta intervention and Nancy’s role as emissary.
Yet in eight years where does Nancy stand in the media limelight? Most
people have never heard of her, despite her claims that she is being
pushed by aliens to oversee the “Awakening” and spread the “word.”
In the alien/conspiracy arena she is barely recognised against the likes
of Whitley Striber, Bob Lazar and Billy Myer, even though they cannot
testify to as much alien involvement as Nancy allegedly receives. Indeed
her Zeta prophesies have proved to be nothing more than speculation when
compared to predictions such as those reputed to be contained in the
likes of the “bible code,” and in the writing of individuals like
Mother Shipton, Nostradamus and Cayce. Especially when dealing with
insignificant and wholly trivial issues such as human financial dealings
and politics. Secondly
we are to believe that the Zetas are only interested in US contact and
affairs, due to the vast cultural genetic mix, the rest of the world
less important. When we are talking about a global catastrophe, which
will effect 90% of mankind. Or are the only survivors to be those in the
United States? Indeed this would probably have been the case if both
Zetatalk and TT hadn’t been translated by the more dedicated TT-membership,
so “the word” would never have reached even a fraction of that it
has, had it not been for their tireless efforts. And why choose one
single isolated voice when totally unconnected, multiple, worldwide
voices, all relaying the exact same message, would go a long way to
confirming there was indeed some kind of alien influence. Third,
despite Nancy’s claims of urgency and shortening time frame she still
wastes valuable efforts invading a scientific e-discussion group, (Sci-astro)
attempting to convince a wholly sceptical and uninterested audience,
when her time could be better spent plying her message within the realms
of an already eager, waiting audience within the alien/conspiracy fields
and media. Even going so far as to ridicule her own “believers” for
wasting time and effort on what she considers to be fruitless quests or
delaying preparation. Fourth,
Nancy claims that the likes of Hazlewood, Skepticalmind.com are
plagiarising, breeching copyright and generally stealing her thunder.
Dedicating a complete section of her Zetatalk site to draw attention to
this fact. Yet despite her allegations, threats and the fact that she
maintains she is well within her own legal rights, has done absolutely
nothing to impede their progress. Which under many circumstances makes
little sense as a large scale court action with the appropriate media
coverage would go a long way to extending that media shortfall and raise
public awareness, effectively spreading “the word.” Zetas The
super race of alien beings pushing Nancy to spread “the word.” Yet
these ultra-intelligent, extraterrestrial species admit openly to
playing games, deception and manipulation, all pre-described
manifestations of their STS counterparts. Who then go on to ask that we,
as humankind trust them 100%, when in reality we have no way whatsoever
of verifying anything they have said thus far, let alone accept anything
new. A pure “leap of faith” in every sense of the word.
A race of genetically created beings that admit to abducting,
experimenting and implanting it’s human counterparts, so that they can
produce a race of super human/zeta hybrids that will rule the Earth,
which are not that dissimilar to the type of ideology held by the likes
of Adolf Hitler. Indeed he himself, had he lived and succeeded, would
have probably also claimed that it was with the full consent of his
human experimental guinea-pigs. Here
are examples of the contradictions and hypocrisy in what the Zetas have
said about deception and lies. ZetaTalk
Accuracy
http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a102.htm “We,
the Service-to-Other Zetas, are in tune with all
humans who are thinking about us or whom we are interested in, their
thoughts, as well as with Nancy. Likewise, Nancy has to do no more than think
a request for a conference and one is in process, as both of us can
converse while doing our normal daily tasks. There is no need for a
physical proximity, only a syncing of the thoughts. In that there is
this merging, how can the public be sure it is not nancy
rather than ourselves, who are answering? We step back during NancyTalk,
and she gives us this stage during ZetaTalk, but in between she and we
converse with the normal open discourse we are very accustomed to. Nancy
is not shy, nor are we, and we both are comfortable with blunt talk. So
when we say we are reporting ZetaTalk to you, this is exactly
what it is. And this is why she will sometimes correct, having put forth
a word or phrase that does not carry our intent, as we object,
when this occurs. We act as a team, with both members having their
identity, but the overall goal a shared one.” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Telling
the truth: http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o18.htm "Then,
of course, there are the professional liars, both human and alien, the
Service-to-Self who have no compunction about leading anyone astray”. The
very first line shows only Service to Self tell lies in order to
deliberately deceive which is what the Zetas have just admitted. “How
can one sort out the truth? We suggest that the same methods used
effectively to disrobe liars and exaggerators in human society be
applied to the alien issue. Where one finds a lie or that the truth has
been stretched, point this out with irrefutable facts, if they exist, or
solid logic. At the very least, untruthful statements can be challenged
with your statements that the facts seem otherwise to you. An
unchallenged statement often goes as truth to the uninformed. Where
there is contention, the uninformed tend to weigh the calibre, both the
moral and professional qualification, of the contestants." All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com There
is not one shred of proof or validation within Zetatalk and her
statements have been challenged to which she has never answered.
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o45.htm "Trust
can be broken under many circumstances, and thus until one has reached a
community where all are trustworthy, one's guard must be up.” The
Zeta’s have broken the most sacred trust by lying, so we should
definitely put up one’s guard shouldn’t we? "Commitments
made by the spiritually immature are often difficult to sort out from
commitments made by those strongly in the Service-to-Other, as they
sound the same at the time. The spiritually immature will put on a good
show, even fooling themselves, until the going gets rough. It is then
that their resolve wavers, and the commitment is put aside in favor of
another avenue. The spiritually immature one makes all manner of excuses
to themselves and others, and where they forgive themselves readily they
often leave those who took them seriously aghast and distraught. To
avoid such a situation, look carefully at the individual's track record,
especially at their performance when times got rough." Based
on what has been said in the IRC it would appear that the Zetas are
spiritually immature because of all the excuses they’re making.
Secondly if one applies their words and checks Nancy’s track record it
becomes obvious that there isn’t any, no credible proof, no accuracy,
predictions that have failed to materialise and now she’s admitted to
lying as early as 1995, so the only track record is one of deception and
excuses. "Those
leaning toward the Service-to-Self will make commitments readily, with
no intention of honoring the commitment whatsoever. In general, they
will say whatever gains them an inch at the moment, so those who know
them are not fooled, but those who are first encountering the selfish
one can indeed be fooled and badly hurt.” Interesting,
“say whatever gains them an inch” and this is exactly what the Zetas
have just admitted, so once again another trait of the selfish, the STS. “In
this situation, where one suspects they are dealing with a self-focused
individual, it helps to give a test or two. Place them in a situation
where they must meet their commitment, putting themselves out in order
to do so, and watch what happens. With remarkable regularity, the
self-focused one makes some excuse and tends to themselves, showing how
very shallow their commitment to others is." All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com By
their very admission we don’t need to test them, but on those
occasions when Nancy has been challenged what did she do – make
excuses. So what does that say?
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o45.htm Zetatalk
can not validate any of its material and like it say’s if one is going
to tell a lie then make it a big lie as no one can prove it either way,
which is exactly the case here, so by their own statements Nancy is a
false channel. (Also note that these words are similar to those Adolf
Hitler spoke regarding the same subject.) "In
all cases where a fraud is being perpetrated, the false channeler must
create a massive amount of details, or a single message as a standalone
looks suspicious. Since none of this is provable, and the humans
generating the fraud know they won't be challenged unduly, they wax
poetic." All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Need
I say anymore the Zetas are describing Zetatalk and Nancy to the letter. Source:
http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t110.htm “Sources
that do not
so predict cannot be determined to be anything but disinformation or hot
air.” I
guess this sums it all as none of the Zeta predictions have materialised,
apart from the bad weather and only May 2003 will reveal if the cause of
that is correct. Keeping
Secrets:
http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o20.htm “In
4th Density Service-to-Others there are no secrets. This is primarily
because of the spiritual orientation, where there is great concern for
others. As this agenda does not need to be hidden, entities are open
about their motives. Secondarily, there are no secrets because
telepathic ability is vastly increased. One's thoughts are read by and
known to the others as quickly as they are entertained. This makes it
easy to be empathetic and caring, as the pain of one becomes the pain of
all.” Well
the Zetas feel fine in keeping secrets from their emissary and those
supposedly going through the awakening. It would also seem they didn’t
care much about hurting anyone’s feelings by admitting they’d lied.
So much for concern, once again proving they are not STO. “In
the Service-to-Self orientation, matters are entirely different, as this
orientation use telepathy as little as possible and deception as often
as possible. As this situation is not unknown to Earthlings, we will not
bother to describe it in detail.” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com It’s
becoming pretty obvious why Nancy and the Zetas won’t bother
explaining. False
claims: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a72.htm Nancy
has never allowed intense questioning of her material. In fact on those
occasions when anyone has pushed she has immediately gone on the
defensive and accused them of being “the enemy”, “pimps”, “whores”,
“lesbians”, “debunkers”, “government lackeys or agents.”
This has shown itself on her own TT groups, (now recorded in the
archives), her own IRC chat and sci-astro.
Indeed she has even turned on her own faithful when it has become
obvious they are questioning her credibility to such an extent that she
has forced their removal from the groups. Indeed on one occasion it got
so bad she threatened to quit her TT if one of the “then” moderators
was not removed. After that she withdrew from direct interaction and
forced a TT Inc takeover so the groups became under her direct control.
They are now moderated with an iron fist with no scrutiny or questioning
allowed and debate is no longer tolerated.
“Read
the valid literature published in the past by conscientious UFO research
groups. Use this extensive data as a basis of comparison. But most of
all, learn to discern the traits and profile of the attention getter.”
Notice
how she is directing everyone to read other research from UFO groups,
not valid, verifiable sources to make any comparison. Most of her
material is the same as theirs so they are hardly likely to make any
serious arguments against her. If one checks extensively it becomes
apparent that most of her material isn’t even her own at all, most
taken from other sources and elaborated on. “They
will tend to embellish the story as the attention they get starts to
wane, demand attention rather than react to it as it comes their way,
contradict themselves increasingly as the story gets more elaborate, fly
in the face of logic or known facts and well established trends, and
answer questions evasively with a flood of irrelevant details rather
than address the crux or gist of the question.” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Interestingly
Nancy is describing herself. She invades sci-astro demanding attention,
rules the IRC and completely took over the TT groups when she was
present and now even in her absence, relishing in the limelight with her
theatricals. She has contradicted herself continually, especially with
her accuracy topics and zeta predictions, elaborated with sheer nonsense
and flown in the face of logic of any known facts or trends. Indeed if
one examine her words it becomes obvious that she answers questions
evasively, elaborates with irrelevant rubbish and rarely answers
anything. Blunting
the truth is painful to us? So what do the Zetas do lie instead. Yet
they infer they have the courage to say it like it is, a reference
regularly used by Nancy. What hypocrisy and another contradiction at
best. "Our
general advice to mankind it to evaluate other communications in
accordance with their proven validity. Nancy has been stating much,
lately, that A
track record that she now admits is flawed due to Zeta deceptions. "If
a site is not to be assumed to be just so much hot air, and worthless,
then it must have predicted, regularly, and be found valid! Of not, then
please All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com None
of Nancy’s predictions have come to fruition and certainly none have
been validated, so according to their own statements the Zeta’s are
saying their own site is garbage. http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g67.htm Is
a white lie not also a half truth? “The
easiest way to discredit a truth teller is to mix some deceptive
half-truths into it, and most who hear the report will throw all out, to
eliminate doubt. Creating a half-truth is a favorite disinformation
tactic, especially when the target is staunch in resisting other tactics
to sidetrack them. The honest reporter will first be approached with
threats and bribes, and most often these tactics either scare the
reporter off the stage or bend the reports in the direction desired.” Deceptive
half truths? Now that’s what the Zetas have just admitted, which as
they state is a favourite disinfo tactic. So in effect they are
discrediting their own emissary. “But
those with integrity who resist these tactics will soon find their path
strewn with confusing information, all to be sorted out quickly and
their comments going into the record before any background checking can
be done." All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Those
with integrity resist such tactics, yet the Zetas decide to do the same
and in doing show themselves and Nancy to have no integrity as she knew
as far back as 1996 without telling anyone. http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use90517.htm All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Zetatalk’s
track record amounts to zero except now for self confessed deceit. There
is no validity, no proof, not one piece of substantiated evidence and
none of the predictions
that have materialised.
http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r02.htm All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com The
STS are notorious for not telling the truth? They lied and have admitted
it so the Zetas are STS by their own definition.
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p40.htm All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com There
it is again “Telling it like it is” meaning the truth, yet they
admit deception and we are supposed to know the truth from fiction. How
can anyone believe anything further said, it might be a lie? Had
anyone else used such methods we would instantly dismiss their words as
false. Yet because these are the methods of an advanced alien species we
are expected to accept their methods using instinct to guide us between
the truth and lies, or at least that’s what the Zeta disciples would
have us believe. Yet ask yourself one simple question. - who declared
the Zetas our superiors so that they could decide what we should know or
not? Makes one wonder what else they have decided not to share and isn’t
it remarkable how they sound just like our own Earth politicians? The
12th planet The
mythical giant that cannot be found, despite the claims of being
visually sighted back in 2001 yet still not evident with more sensitive
equipment when only five months away, apart that is for a few alleged
dots on FITS images taken and owned by the “zeta faithful” who are
already desperate to prove their “messiah” right and despite the
fact that both Nancy and her alien friends claim we should all be able
to see it by now with the naked eye. Domino
quakes Zetatalk
1999 Predictions http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tworx210.htm “On
Mar 15, 1999 ZetaTalk stated in the that domino
quakes would
begin, where tightly locked plates would ...” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Despite
trying to make out this was her own phrase it is recorded and well
documented within the geological society and before 1999 when she
claimed it as a “new revelation”. The
Japan Times,
December
12, 1997
“SCIENTIST LINKS KILLER QUAKES TO
BRONZE AGE'S END.” http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news46.htm “By
examining more recent series of quakes in the region, including one that
struck Turkey's North Anatolian fault between 1939 and 1967, Nur
developed the idea that a
domino
effect
could have set off one devastating earthquake after another in the
region during the Bronze Age.” Science
and Medicine News May/June,
1998 “THE TROJAN HORSE - AN
EARTHQUAKE?” http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/stanfordtoday/ed/9805/9805smf.html “For
more than 20 years, Nur has studied the role of earthquakes in the
Eastern Mediterranean. By poking around the ruins of Megiddo and other
ancient cities, he has gleaned fundamental information about the
patterns of large quakes. Amidst the rubble of the ancients, Nur
discovered clues that may help modern geophysicists understand when and
why earthquakes occur. His findings suggest that earthquakes are
episodic - periods of greater earthquake activity are bracketed by
periods of relative quiet. Large quakes may trigger other large quakes,
in a domino effect
that zips down a fault line,
knocking down cities along the way.” Hale-Bopp
Zetatalk:Hale
Bopp
http://www.zetatalk.com/halebopp/hb000001.htm
“There
was a contest between what the Zetas have said about the expected return
of the 12th Planet and Hale-Bopp enthusiasts. Hale-Bopp enthusiasts
claimed it to be the Millennium Comet, but the Zetas have called this a
False Comet touted to distract a potentially frightened populace from
the 12th Planet's approach, and have stated that Hale-Bopp in late July,
1995 was in fact an exploding star since the appearance of Hale-Bopp
looked more like a supernova than a comet. You decide, as here are the
Definitions and what astronomers reported on the massive Size
that Hale-Bopp suddenly assumed, the Stellar appearance that Hale-Bopp
presented in 1995, the total lack of comet Emissions coming from Hale-Bopp
in 1995, the lack of a significant Orbit in 1995, and the fact that
Hale-Bopp was to be Hidden before its time!”
All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com
Despite
claiming this to be 100% accurate Nancy has now admitted the whole thing
was a lie and deliberate ploy, destroying her own credibility.
(Full IRC
confession.) Live
IRC chat 16th,
November, 2002-11-23 http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cnov1602.html “Early
in the game the Hale-Bopp ploy was used, and in truth Nancy was under
the impression until last in the
game that there WAS no comet!” Crop
Failure
ZetaTalk:
Crop Failure
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p09.htm
“As
we described earlier, going into the cataclysms the weather will become
unpredictable, with torrential rainstorms where not expected, and
droughts likewise where not expected. Extremes of temperature will be
experienced. Unusually warm winters, where the trees and shrubs will
start to bud, thinking spring, and then be subjected to frost.
Similarly, frosts will come late in the spring, almost into summer,
killing the buds which have already put forth their tender shoots. Where
today the world balances these situations, shipping produce around the
world, during the years coming close to the time of the reappearance of
the 12th Planet, the giant comet, all parts of the world will experience
extremes. Of course, leading up to the cataclysms, not all produce will
fail. Greenhouse crops will come through. Backyard gardens, tendered
carefully by watchful eyes, will survive. But the large cash crops that
supply crowded population centers will find little to market, and the
prices will go up accordingly.”
All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com
There
have been no significant crop failures, nor price increases and one
needs only look around the shops and stores to verify that fact.
Planet
X sighting Fall 2002
ZetaTalk:
Fall, 2002
http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p155.htm
“Thus,
we suggest that Viewing
in Fall,
at the earliest, be the rule and rumor, not Summer viewing, which is
quite impossible given the nature of the object, Planet X, and the red
light spectrum it is viewed within.”
All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com
We
have gone through the fall of 2002, now in the early part of 2003, and
as yet no one can see it.
Market
Crash
ZetaTalk:
Market Crash http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p112.htm “In
any game there are winners and losers. Between the present and when
there will surely be a crash of banks that cannot be sustained and the
barter system essentially returns, there is an end game in play. This
end game is being laid out on the money markets and has many players
wishing to gain the upper hand and maintain the upper hand.” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Where
are the market crashes and new barter systems here in 2003? Can anyone
show them to me? Financial
Freeze ZetaTalk:
Financial Freeze http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p113.htm “When
the markets start to tumble, they will tumble rapidly and may move in
many directions. There may be financial freezes maintained, such that
the financial status quo at a given point in time and the cash value of
moneys of different countries are not allowed to float freely. It’s
essentially like stopping an elevator from moving up or down. It simply
doesn’t move after that point in time. Black markets of course will
develop, but they develop somewhat slowly, not overnight. So this kind
of enforced freeze, in essence a martial law of the financial field, can
be maintained for many months, even years, and be somewhat effective.” All
rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com There
have been no market freezes as yet. Stonehenge ZetaTalk:
Stonehenge http://www.zetatalk.com/orientat/o26.htm “Stonehenge is ancient, far older than man assumes. Its purpose is confused because of its age. Was it a sacrificial site? Was it an astronomical measure? Was it simply a place for lovers to meet in the moonlight? No records remain. No peoples remain in whose memory Stonehenge has a place. It stands, bleak and cold, its secrets a mystery so deep that none can fathom them. Yet the mystery is easily answered if the ages are taken into account. Stonehenge is older than the visitors from the 12th Planet. Older than the wandering of the cavemen, mankind's earliest numbers. It is so early that no cultural memory remains that can strike a cord. It does not resonate, as the New Agers say, meaning that their cultural values have no resonating equivalent.” The
Stonehenge we know today isn’t the original, yet Nancy’s Zetas
missed the fact it had been moved and rebuilt when talking about its
architects. So much for being all seeing. THE
TIMES Tuesday
January 9, 2001 “HOW RESTORERS "IMPROVED" STONEHENGE” http://www.pip.com.au/~paceman/STONEHENGE.html STONEHENGE
- REBUILT!!!! http://www.keirle.freeserve.co.uk/page19.htm “Restoration
work on Stonehenge has caused English Heritage to consider rewriting its
guides to Britain’s most famous prehistoric monument.” The above contradictions are just some examples I found on the net. There are many more, but remember books and scientific journals are worked on before publishing so any date up to and including 1995 represent prior work already undertaken before that date, so when one takes that into consideration it becomes obvious that there is in fact nothing original in Nancy’s Zetatalk website.Page
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