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“I
have no opinion on the images, I haven't even looked at them yet.
They're pretty meaningless don't prove anything one way or another. They
could be faked.” QueenVee
IRC chat Even
the Zeta faithful are beginning to display doubts over some of Nancy’s
claims as can be seen here: From:
"Jan" Date:
Sun
Nov 24, 2002 10:50 am Subject:
Re: [tt-social]
Re: No ZetaTalk meltdown "geoff2000s"
wrote: >This
is certainly possible. On the other hand, people also lie for malicious
reasons. Both types of liars would claim "I am lying to you for
your own good". How can you tell them apart?< Obviously,
media and the common populace is easily duped. Just look at the current
"terrorist threat" and calls for war on Iraq. Mike Peters had
a good comment on this in his Sept. 27 cartoon, labeled "Weapons of
Mass Distraction", showing George W. Bush shouting "Bomb Iraq!
Bomb Iraq!" in front of a large text "ECONOMY". However,
learning how to discern truth from lies, like many things in life, this
is partly what you're born with, partly acquired skills. Rudolf Steiner
has a beautiful small book called "The Philosophy of Freedom"
(my translation) which deals with how to trust your own judgment. I
don't know if it is available in the US, but if so, it's highly
recommended. When
it gets more difficult is when people you trust or want to trust lie to
you. It's natural to believe they tell the truth, and that people close
to you want your best, but for all the mistreated and abused children of
this world, they have learned a lesson which may prevent them from ever
trusting anyone. Being lied to for good reasons is different, but
regardless, I hate being
lied to, and I hate doing it myself. However, there is no need to always
tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
Often withholding some information may do the trick without having to
actually tell something that is not true. Unfortunately,
there are a few more items where ZetaTalk will have to come clean. The
mid-2002 visibility, how a white persona can show up when filtered for
red etc. are amongst those. There may be good reasons for wanting to
alert people before Planet X is actually visible, but I am still waiting
for a good explanation on this.
In the meantime, many other signs
are on track, so I have still not revised my calendar concerning the May
2003 event. Regards, Jan [Remember
Jan is Treasurer of TT-Inc and head Gestapo moderator protecting
Nancy’s integrity on the tt-groups, yet now displays doubts? Basically
stating he hates being lied to, which is what the zetas admitted over
the hale-bopp
fiasco. Then talks about the Zetas “coming clean” effectively
admitting they’ve been “dirty” at some stage or lied? Had this
been anyone else they would have instantly been banned or moderated.] ------o------ From:
"naton32539" Date:
Mon Nov 25, 2002 7:25
pm Subject:
Re: Mr. Dell's image program settings ----JWDell
wrote: Yaada;
Your continued presence here becomes a chore when I have to respond to
uniformed opinion from you. So that others may understand the
circumstances, I reply.... Queenvee
wrote: I
just wanted to express my appreciation of your once again taking the
time to analyze the images and explain the process. If others were doing
as you as Steve Havas are -- i.e. putting out their own money, time, and
energy in obtaining images, and able to demonstrate
some basic knowledge of the process -- one might take their
"opinions" mores seriously. Until then, they are just
"noise", sniping from the sidelines....Best, QueenVee<< I
too would like to thank all who have invested the time and money to take
the images. What about this from www.skepticalmind.com IRC chat logs? (snip) [18:39]
<Howmo>
QV, why don't you want to discuss the images? [18:39]
<QueenVee>
howmo: i have no opinion on the images [18:40]
<QueenVee>
i haven't even looked at them yet [18:40]
<Howmo>
Nice dodge. [18:40]
<Howmo>
None of them??? [18:40]
<QueenVee>
no [18:40]
<Howmo>
Ever??? [18:40]
<Howmo>
Yikes.... [18:40]
<QueenVee>
soon as i do, i'll let you know [18:40]
* tied2
has left #zetatalk ("it's not my fault Honey, I swear I was
abducted by Aliens") [18:40]
<Howmo>
Talk about plausible denial.. [18:40]
<QueenVee>
they're pretty meaningless [18:40]
<Howmo>
How so? [18:40]
<QueenVee>
don't prove anytying one way or another [18:41]
*
dwander has left #zetatalk [18:41]
<QueenVee>
they
could be faked [18:41]
<S7L>
Except that they prove that Nancy is a liar. [18:41]
<Howmo>
Yikes,QV... [18:41]
<QueenVee>
they don't loom large in my evaluation of the evidence (snip) Does
this post of yours above mean you have now viewed these "pretty
meaningless" images? Panhandle Jim [QueenVee
is owner, moderator of the new Zetatalk IRC, (See
QueenVee's IRC) where free and open discussion is banned, yet talks
about Nancy and Steve’s CCD imaging as possible fakes. Hardly a good
recommendation from one of the zeta-disciples.] ------o------
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