“I'd say sue his pants off, but then again that's probably the lawyer in me talking. It's probably not worth messing with.”

Nancy Lieder

 

 

 

Hazelwood originally joined tt as an ordinary member. Plying the groups with “get rich quick” and “Pyramid” schemes in an attempt to line his pockets, which got him banned for his efforts. From there he began producing his own site, his own e-group Prep-2003, followed by the inevitable books promoting his particular ideals of the 12th planet scenario, much to the annoyance of Nancy as he seemed better suited to the public arena so did far better in promoting himself among the media. One need only mention his name on the tt-groups to get an almost instant response, and not a good one I might add. Unfortunately much of Nancy’s antics have now been lost with the deletion of the tt-watch archives, but I’ve included those I found to give a flavor of her feelings on the subject.

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4512
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001  10:26 am

Subject: Re: BLINDSIDED book

I've already got a book out, and it sells poorly. E-Book do even worse. You may very well be in a copyright infringement situation, "drawing heavily" is the key word. 2003 is a ZetaTalk statement, as NOWHERE else is this claim made! I have an arrangement with a publisher, and you are infringing on HIM too. So you can't proceed, frankly, without a lawsuit and damage to me. Inevitably, one will ask why 2003 and get pointed to ZetaTalk. You can't avoid this. So it comes down to me and ZetaTalk speaking to the issue, and we are very accessible to the media, etc., and get out there (sci.astro, Sightings) and take the head. YOU should not be the focus of attention, especially by using copyrighted material. Remove ZetaTalk from your book (this includes 2003), and what do you have?


Mark H wrote:

>Nancy, Hi, I've written a book that draws from your material and Troubled Times. I'm including it here for your perusal. If you request a copy I'll mail one to you too.


I'd like to propose a deal with TT & you. I know TT needs donations and this might be a good avenue for this.


I'm about to convert my book over to an e-book format. I plan on selling it and heavily promoting it all over the internet. I've only sold around 30 copies to date and am somewhat in debt with the project thusfar.

 

I make reference to you & TT in the intuitive section plus give TT a whole lot of credit at the end.


The deal I propose; you'all would get 50% of the proceeds/net and keep me abreast of what ever comes up. I can edit the book in an e-book format at a moments notice.


You could be directly involved in suggesting an e-book company and arranging for you'alls cut to be sent directly to you from the companies involved in accepting the monies. Some people would like a hard copy so at least a second company would be involved in the print-on-demand and ship part of the project.


I have surmised there is no time to try to get a publisher, nor would I want one for
several reasons.

 

There has to be catchy, consise entertaining way of getting this material out to the public at large without people having to accept the way you get your material.


You've got way too many controversial subjects and pages on your sight to appeal to the vast majority.


I've read every last page of your material and because of that know without a shadow of a doubt it didn't come from you but through you.


I've also listened to the majority of your live radio shows and cannot see anyway for you to give unrehearsed answers the way you have unless the zetas weren't helping.


I am a super nerd! There are very few people that will put in this kind of time and effort into researching such a hollywood type fantasy story to find out its validity to their satifaction.


Before you answer me please read the book and see what I've done. A few of the people who have read it want to help promote it.


If I sell it for 14.95, anyone helping promote would get about 4.00. The company excepting the money would get about 2.00 and (you & TT) and I could split the rest.

 

The most important information on the planet still needs to be packaged in a palatable format. Hollywood customizing!, which is where I grew up, community and family. I've done my best to be entertaining and not step too far out of what I consider the public will accept. I'm also very down to earth and don't speak, write or choose my material above what I feel the public at LARGE will digest.


Anyway, I'd appreciate your feedback to the proposal.


Thank You for your time.


Please read the first 22 pages before you jump into the larger version because it has some updates which I'm sure will be very familiar to you.

 

Thank You for your time.


Do you ever get to ask the zetas business strategy that would help promote the info?

 

Mark Hazlewood

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4516
From:  "Sol" <volimerc@y...>

Date:  Sat Jun 16, 2001  12:26 pm

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: BLINDSIDED book

I'm really glad you answered this guy on the lists, Nancy.


I didn't know what to make of that "BLINDSIDED" mail posted on forum by
"planetX2003". It sounded very familiar indeed, like an exact retelling of the Zeta message with the latest developments, including that Encyclopedia diagram and the April 4th sighting. I thought at first that somebody was making some kind of a stupid joke by posting a sort of a "teaser" and then telling us about it, like they do in advertising. I even considered the possibility that somebody's trying to see how a plug for YOUR book would work on us, some misguided soul. Now we see that it was none other than the erstwhile Mark Hazlewood, up to his antics again.


Hazlewood was kicked off of these lists last fall for trying to use us as an advertising site, plugging all kinds of products and get-rich-quick schemes. He kept it up after being asked not to, and was canned. Looks like he's moved up into plain idea theft now. I can't believe he's passing this stuff off as his own (and to us, of all people!) I'd say sue his pants off, but then again that's probably the lawyer in me talking. It's probably not worth messing with. It could be just another disruption tactic, who knows. But the stuff he describes is certainly enough for a copyright infringement suit, if I've ever seen one.


He's not subscribed to watch, so I'll forward this to forum as well, just so he knows. Be nice, Hazelwood, and quit selling us stuff, especially stuff that doesn't belong to you. Or get kicked out again.

Sol

(once again, this doesn't mean that we can't accept an occasional plug for somebody's private work. Just not all the time, like this guy does.)

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4517
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001  12:50 pm

Subject:  Re: [tt-watch] Re: BLINDSIDED book

He was probably writing to me personally to try to get an "agreement" so he could approach a publisher. These electronic book folks will take anyone, as YOU pay, not they, for this. If anything like that happens, I'll write the publishers, and that's the cabash to it.

 

Sol wrote:

>I'd say sue his pants off, but then again that's probably the lawyer in me talking. It's probably not worth messing with.<

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4519
From:  "Nathan Moschkin" <nmosch@t...>

Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001  1:16 pm

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: BLINDSIDED book

there's more speculation available, out there. if the book was thesis, could ZetaTalk be cited? But drawing heavily, that's just not doing one's own homework....


....there's more to the extraterrestrial phenomenon than ZetaTalk; more to the Zetan than ZetaTalk.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4523
From: j-smith6@h...

Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001  4:46 pm

Subject:  Re: BLINDSIDED book

Wouldn't there be more benefit from getting the word out than harm from copyright infringement? Why worry about it as money will soon be worthless. I would think anyone who would spread the word would be beneficial, even if it is someone trying to make a buck. The last laugh will be on him, where's he going to spend it?


It just seems like the focus on the ps and the good we can do getting the word out is being lost with worries about copyright infringement and sci.astro debates.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/4533

From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>
Date: Sat Jun 16, 2001  11:51 pm
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: BLINDSIDED book

Point 1: ZetaTalk is given away from free on my web site. Web whacking is cheap and as afordable as a book. 50% of the US residents, for instance, have web access.

 

Point 2: the BIG danger is a distorted message. Let a copyright infringment happen, and the word gets twisted. Did ZetaTalk say that or did Mark?? (this is a favored takeover technique of the CIA, by the way)

[Rubbish controversy would get people swarming to have a peek at Zetatalk, would raise Nancy’s profile in the media and make a big effort towards getting out “the word”. What she say’s doesn’t make sense.]

Point 3: next we have Mark getting asked for interviews, as didn't he say
... wasn't it him ... Point 4
: if electronic books sold or were popular, I'd have gone that route.

[Ah a hint, electronic books do not sell as well as paperback and hardback, they’re not as popular. If anyone were really interested in getting the message to everyone all avenues would be taken, regardless, especially as she keeps making the point that monetary considerations aren’t important. Besides Mark is already getting more interviews than Nancy, he’s been on the US radio and TV so how can it raise his profile more and besides so long as he’s warning everyone of Earth’s impending doom he’s accomplishing the “good guy’s” agenda. Isn’t he?]

Point 5: getting the word out to RUSSIA, my publisher and I virtually gave it to Sophia House for free, so the Russian people would get the book there. Mark is a bucks guy, if you'll recall, and I'm dirt poor because I focus on the mission. What contributions has he given to Troubled Times et al?

[Not even a good point all she’s doing is to try and show how generous she is. This isn’t even an argument against Mark. Besides no publisher is going to give away a publication, they’re out to make profits not losses and I don’t for one minute believe they bought into Nancy’s scenario, only the money making side.]

j-smith6@h... wrote:

>Wouldn’t there be more benefit from getting the word out than harm from copyright infringement?<

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