“By pretending Nancy made up these ZetaTalk messages herself you are clearly out of line, seriously damaging the ZetaTalk message. Step down, or get lost!”

Jan Rypdal

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7017

From: "Sol" <volimerc@y...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  12:59 pm

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Poison in Moderation? NOT!

Well now you're really going off the wall, this is totally ridiculous. How can you possibly accuse me of these horrible things, have you gone insane?

All I did was disagree with you. Does that  mean that I'm taking money from children? That's gotta be the most asinine thing anybody's ever heard.

You compare me with the Treasurer who ripped you off. That's a very old propaganda tactic, you write about two unrelated issues and make it seem like they're related.

What have I had to do with that person? Have I supported her, have I even known her? Why mention her in the same breath with me, then?

Have I taken anything from you or asked for anything, from ANYBODY here, for God's sake?

Get a grip on yourself, this is really starting to look bad now.

Sol

[Couldn’t have put it better myself. It DID get the required emotional response though.]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7019
From: "Jan" <anybody@a...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  10:55 am

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Who's talking (Re: The Hazelton materials)

Sol wrote:

<<So I'm certain that this latest attack on Hazelwood came from Nancy and not the Zetas, because STO Zetas would not stoop to such a personal attack, such is not the nature of STO beings.>>

On the contrary! A good, strong STO will tell it like it is, reveal the motives behind the actions etc. without beating about the bush. Only the undecided or weak will feel obliged to take all possibilities into account, play along etc. without the ability to clearly see those motives.

By pretending Nancy made up these ZetaTalk messages herself you are clearly out of line, seriously damaging the ZetaTalk message. Step down, or get lost!

[But that is from Nancy and not the Zetas. They could care less about copyright, after all they didn’t see fit to engage themselves when the original treasurer deceived Nancy so why should they over something as trivial as this. So how can Sol pretend what is actually happening?]

Regards,
Jan

[I like the “regards” bit infering respect where none is actually shown. Notice also the “Internal Auditor” phrase has gone?]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7020
From: "Stephen Spiesser" <spiesser@b...>

Date:  Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:11 am

Subject:  Re: [tt-watch] Poison in Moderation? NOT!

Geez

I just can't help reacting to this. Nancy, you are the senior citizen when it comes to this list & message. However, you are not doing yourself any favours with the vitriol you are displaying in you recent posts over the last few months.

They display a lack of diplomacy, statesmanship, maturity and final outcome focus. You keep wrapping yourself in petty debates that detract from the main game that is being played out here. Recent examples are your efforts now with the Hazlewood discussion, previously the stuff with sci-astro and the fight with Teresa Miller(I think that was the one) which resulted in her departing.

I would say that none of this has furthered the cause.

In addition I would like to note that you take voicing your personal dislikes here on the TT sites which have as their mission the preparation of members for the disasters that will strike. I do not see how your personal attacks contribute towards that end objective.

So, Please grow up & take this sort of stuff off line. I am sure that you
have heaps of positive stuff to contribute & would personally like to learn more from your experiences & also like to hear what the Zetas have to say about the many things that are happening at this time. The messages from the Zetas are running pretty thin at the moment.

Respectfully
Stephen
[The tt-groups were in relative chaos by now with people for and against Sol, doe and against Nancy. I haven’t included them all, check tt-watch archives for details) but bare with me.]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7023
From: "Jan" <anybody@a...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:22 am

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Officer dismissal? (Re: The Hazelton materials)

Sol wrote:

<<Well Jan, it's obvious that in your world, an "officer" of an organization is not permitted to disagree with its "leader", no matter what that leader does. Even if it's not any kind of an elected administrative leader, but a person who's supposed to be bringing a spiritual message to us.>>

Any employee, officer in an organization etc. going for another person like you are with Nancy on the Hazelton issue shows a clear lack of loyalty to the organization and a clear lack of understanding how to work within an organization. Such discussion NEVER belong to the public room, they are to be kept internal.

[Again TT members require no loyalty to Nancy or the Inc and why shouldn’t the public know about a public charity organisation?]

<<By the way, Nancy's not the VP of TT Inc, Roger is. [...]>>

Please learn to check your facts. Nancy is Admin VP of TT Inc. Just check the TT Site at <http://www.zetatalk.com/nonproft/election.htm>

<<You seem to think that any disagreement with Nancy is an "attack", and so you say I'm "attacking" her here.>>

Your wording has been unprofessional and clear personal attacks.

[He’s not an employee, but rather a volunteer.]

<<That's ridiculous! All I did is say that she's wrong in her "Hazelwood mission". Is one no longer allowed to disagree here with the holy opion of another TT Officer? That'll be the day.>>

When it comes to the actual Hazelton issue, after having read Brent's experience with him, why do you still carry on? Don't you see that in this case, you're the gullible one being fooled by Hazelton??

[His opinion and only valid as such. What Nancy and Jan are attempting to do is manipulate the membership opinion, plus he’s once again being personal.]

<<OK, Mr. Internal Auditor, you go ahead and call for my dismissal, asyou've already called for the removal from this list of anybody who's everposted an opinion contrary to your own. Meanwhile I'll continue doing whatmy conscience demands. I'm not shutting up this time.>>

I think you are making this too easy. I see no need to call for your dismissal, as it will be a given unless you step down and behave like any officer of an organization should.

[Resign or get booted in more words. The decisions been made.]

Regards,
Jan

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7027
From:  "Sol" <volimerc@y...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  3:21 pm

Subject: The Prep list - a ripoff? (Re: Officer dismissal?)

Jan wrote:

<< When it comes to the actual Hazelton issue, after having read Brent's experience with him, why do you still carry on? Don't you see that in this case, you're the gullible one being fooled by Hazelton?? >>

I've actually had lots of experience in my life in hearing people's stories and judging someone's "guilt" on the basis of those stories. I perfectly understand where Brent's coming from and how he feels, and I would probably be just as upset in his case. But that single incident with him doesn't prove that Hazelwood is a rip-off artist, and certainly not that he's a monster.

Most importantly, Brent's experience has absolutely nothing to do with that Prep list!

Hazelwood and that Prep list are NOT the same thing, despite anything Nancy says.

That list is not ripping anyone off! Please, prove me wrong on that one, and then I'll shut up.

So if I point people to the very good Bookmarks section of that Prep list - is that the same as sending them to be "fleeced for money"? Am I doing the same thing as that Treasurer who ripped off the Inc?

Is it "professional behavior" when Nancy compares me to that thief? What exactly have I done, so that suddenly I'm mentioned in the same breath as a thief? Don't pretend you don't understand what I'm talking about.

And what exactly have I done to justify saying that I'm taking food from babies?

Well, it's obvious what I've done. I've disagreed with Her Highness, I've been "disloyal".

Give me a break, for crissake.

Sol

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7060
From: zetatalk@z...

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  10:28 pm

Subject: Re: Messages from Zetas

Have you checked the What's New on ZetaTalk? Also, in case you're not a member of the tt-inc, I am with Jurian help starting a weekly IRC, which will be interactive and take live questions, etc. We may start as early as this weekend, but I think perhaps a week away most likely.

Having someone help in these battles (Hazelwood/Sol) would help, kiddo! THEN I'd have the time!

[Nancy doesn’t need help or someone to speak on her behalf, (remember Charlene.) Yet now she’s making a public call for a stand against Sol, calling on the tt-membership to “gang” up on him, encouraging bully-boy tactics.]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7065
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date:  Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:05 pm

Subject:  Re: [tt-watch] The Prep list - a ripoff? (Re: Officer dismissal?)

Send the babies parents to a thief, that's what. You're in tt-posse, KNOW what Brent experienced with Mark, KNOW why Mark was banned, etc., yet you sent folks there?
[More emotion manipulation.]

Maybe you're a bit too empathetic with Mark, Sol, because you sympathise with someone put OUTSIDE because of their bahaviour. Maybe you should come clean with the list, Sol, so they can see who is keeping order here, in tt-possee and tt-welcome.
[Hint of some dark secret? You bet. Stay tuned.]

> Sol wrote: Is it "professional behavior" when Nancy compares me to that thief? What exactly have I done, so that suddenly I'm mentioned in the same  breath as a thief? Don't pretend you don't understand what I'm talking about. And what exactly have I done to justify saying that I'm taking food  from babies?<

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7067
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:11 pm

Subject:  Re: [tt-watch] The Prep list - a ripoff? (Re: Officer dismissal?)

Why are you in the TT lists, Sol? They are based on ZetaTalk. 2003 is Zetatalk. Do YOU have a web site where the world comes, unbidden? Fans worldwide? ZetaTalk according to Sol, who knows best! Sure.

I know ZetaTalk best Sol, not you, and Hazelwood is not a mystery, he's an obvious CON. Why are you HIS fan? I've heard from so many people who've left the lists because of you, and your poor judgement. They are disgusted you decided, against the other tt-possee members, to moderate Michael C when they had banned him! I think, maybe, you like chaos. Life a bit borning, otherwise?

[Notice how she’s dug up and posted anything she can use against her “enemies” yet not one example of these many posts complaining about Sol. Why because there aren’t any. Plus if they were so dissatisfied up to this point why is he still a moderator. Why wash the linen in public? Why not get rid of him on the QT? Because its all rubbish.]

> Sol wrote: Well, it's obvious what I've done. I've disagreed with Her Highness I've been "disloyal".

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7069
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:19 pm

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Poison in Moderation? NOT!

And who defends the child, left perhaps orphaned because his parents went insane or unaware and unprepared, perhaps abandoned him. A toddler. Broken, starving, and hunted.

YOU think about THAT when you allow Political Correctness to rule, instead of integrity. The ripoffs attempst have just started! Where do YOU stand?

[Now she’s attacking Stephen, using emotion directed manipulation again.]

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7071
From:  Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date: Thu Nov 8, 2001  11:22 pm

Subject:  Re: [tt-watch] Poison in Moderation? N

OT!

What you've asked from us is a popular stage, where the world floods in and YOU can create chaos and be an advocate. (Still practicing as a lawyer, Sol?). You've got this, but I think your motives should be questioned. What have you got in your life OTHER than this, Sol? In truth. Come clean with the group here. Everyone else kicked you out?

[Hint, hint, its blackmail time, or so she thinks. But I like the bit about Sol’s life. He believes a 12^th planet is going to destroy 90% of Earths population courtesy of Nancy and she wonders why he hasn’t got a life?]

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