“On the other hand, Lieder's Planet X simply can not exist as she describes it, and it does not exist at the coordinates that she specifies, and it can not be found on the images that I have posted, nor on the images taken at Haute-Provence, nor on the recent Havas images.”

John Oliver

 

 

IMO, (identity formally unknown now revealed as John Oliver) is the only amateur astronomer to take a serious detailed look at Nancy/Havas’s Planet X images.  Which at first drew praise from Nancy, until, that is, it became obvious he wasn’t buying into the illusion they’d set up. Ever since then she has accused IMO of everything from paid Government lackey to NASA employee, indeed was supposed to have tracked his ISP all the way back to NASA itself, although everyone knows this technique is no longer possible due to the privacy laws of each and every ISP server. IMO used to frequent the Zetatalk IRC although he doesn’t bother much these days, concentrating on analysing any new Havas images in search of the fabled 12th planet.

 

His opinion of the FITS images can be found at: http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/

 

From: John Oliver (oliver@ufl.edu)

Subject: Re: Sarah Mac's Appology

Newsgroups: sci.astro

Date: 2003-01-04 12:24:52 PST

zetatalk wrote:

At the close of the last Live ZetaTalk IRC Session on Sat, Dec 28th   http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cdec2802.htm Sarah Mac (Silk in the chats) revealed how gracefully she can appologize when proven WRONG Again!

 

Walking into a next of Hungarians, including the ZetaTalk Hungarian translator, and having put her shoes in her mouth, once again, big time, does she admit to being WRONG, or does she try to change the subject by throwing insults  (capitalized for emphasis below) and distractions? Such are the ethics of the new self appointed Sheperd of Sci.Astro!

 

You can expect these kinds of ethics from her as she is increasingly proven WRONG, as if she is so sure she is right, then why not tell us her city of residence, her last name, some means to find her and confront her when she is absolutly proven WRONG.  Or will she just quietly slink away like IMO, who also would not tell us his state, city, last name, or any way to confront him for his dishonest misdirection.<<

 

{snip IRC Quote}


While I have remained anonymous because I felt that my posts could stand or fall based on their accuracy, I have decided that if, by becoming public, I can persuade even a few more readers of Lieder's Planet X fantasy to not disrupt their lives by moving to "safety" it is worth the further abuse I will reap.


IMO is John Oliver, Associate Chairman of the Department of Astronomy, University of Florida.  My home page is at http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~oliver/ .  I have been doing astronomical research (including imaging) for more than 40 years and have extensive experience and publications on photographic processing, the design and implementation of electronograhic cameras, and the use of CCD cameras.  I am, in fact, open to ideas that are out of the main stream and my work on ways that ancient peoples could have determined longitudes has recently appeared in print in both books and journals.


On the other hand, Lieder's Planet X simply can not exist as she describes it, and it does not exist at the coordinates that she specifies, and it can not be found on the images that I have posted, nor on the images taken at Haute-Provence, nor on the recent Havas images.


Those who belive the Havas/Dell identifications of personae on those recent images should think about the following:  If the full image is examined, dozens (typically 40 or more) of small spots, identical to those picked out by Lieder as her planet, are seen.  What are they?  Only two are identified as planet X.  A few more are labeled moons ... what about the rest?  If you have read my pages at http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/ you know that I have shown that most those spots are too small to be objects in the sky imaged by the telescope and that they are all pixel defects, many caused by cosmic rays.


If you are thinking of selling your possessions and moving or otherwise disrupting your lives because of the predictions of Lieder please think again.  I live in Florida with my loved ones (wife, son, mother, and dog) and if I belived there was any possible chance of the destruction she predicts I would not be here.


If you read my web pages and my posts you will find that I have not atacked
Lieder or any of her followers personally even when they have so attacked me.  I would ask that you extend me the courtesy that any STO individual would extend and not attack me personally now.

------o------

 

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