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Fair bit of activity on QueenVee's IRC. Not so much in content as that's just more conversations about her dog with general banter like speculation about the US and Iraq. (All very fascinating stuff which I'm sure no one apart from them is actually interested in.) However before I get to the juicier stuff I did notice my mention and as it's obvious they pop in now and again this one is for them: Session Start: Wed Feb 05 02:56:29
2003 [12:04]
<obany> QueenVee:
check sci.astro ... some discussion there ... from poleshiftdiscussion
from some weeks ago [Actually
you should learn to read I said "making him yet another
hypocrite." Jurian's own words prove the facts, nothing to do with
me except that I put them on public display.] [Printing their own words now constitutes debunking? But then the truth does hurt.] [I
don't need to debunk Nancy she'll do that herself after May when nothing
happens. Although its obvious you'll all buy any excuse when it comes as
we all know it will. All I'm doing is documenting the farce for
prosperity so those excuses and the response of the faithful can be
viewed in order and timeline. Be happy I'll make you famous.] [Nice
use of caps and yes it's entertaining watching the power-play and in
fighting, especially after its proved the 12th doesn't exist and all
these Gestapo bigotry tactics are proven to have been nothing more than
delusional nonsense. (Where will all this conspiracy and
"debunking" claptrap stand then?] [That's
probably exactly what George W is wondering when everyone keeps
interfering, trying to stop his own personal fanaticism with the
intended war on Iraq. Perhaps it has something to do with fanaticism
behaving like a dictatorship? So get over it, you'll see a lot more in
the next few years.] [No because I didn't give a reason. It was in part due to the same small minded prejudice displayed on TT and poleshift# under the pretence of Nancy's STO that proved to me just how much bullshit was being spread as gospel. (You guys wouldn't know STO if it came up and bit your arse and come to that neither would Nancy.) While TT remained independent there was little wrong with the groups. It was only when Nancy and the bully boys interfered taking over by force that I really began to doubt the message and messenger. TT was about preparation. Not Nancy or the Zetas as they said themselves "the fate of Earth is in human hands" not theirs. Yet now you present the Zetas as primary over preparation. Total belief first then preparation. Tell me I'm wrong?
Another reason was to identify and locate certain main characters so that anyone, should they wish to do so, can carry out whatever action they deem necessary, should they feel the need for any kind of retribution, either legal or otherwise, on those who have openly promoted or forced the Zeta ideal, after may 2003 when this fabled planet fails to turn up. I think they call it "name and shame." But you could actually chalk this up, in part, to a real conspiracy by those on the IRC, TT, sci-astro etc, pissed off by Nancy and her ilk. All now working together to bring down the main culprits later this year. (Well you should be careful what you wish for as it looks as if Zetatalk finally got it.) Snag is you won't be able to blame MJ12, the illuminati or hostile aliens and there will be no special extraterrestrial protection, rescue by implants, nothing, as all that will be nothing more than science fiction spouted by an old woman after Nancy's failed poleshift.
So
do I care about your scenario either way? No as I would love the 12th
planet to turn up and wipe out ALL of humanity rather than the 90%
quoted. You'll never see me on TT or either of the IRC's, but then why
would I want to argue with such obvious closed minds? That's just a
waste of breath and time? Besides you'll all fade into obscurity after
May of this year, so like Nancy say's "I'm having fun" at your
expense. So enjoy it while it lasts, at least you'll go down in Zeta
history. That's got to be worth something to any potential one day
wonder if not on a definite negative end.] [Now
that would spoil the fun. Believe me when I tell you you'll never guess.
Isn't paranoia a bitch?] [Wrong
I was never a fanatic like you. Fanatics force their opinion on others.
I prefer people see the evidence and make up their own mind. Rather than
shutting out all other argument like poleshiftdiscussion. Similarly
fanatics have a belief. I have none, as belief forces a judgment call
and taints bias, creating prejudice. My proof is in the tt-archives,
what's left of them, and stand as testimony to my action and words. Here
all you'll find are facts. Words touted by those individuals themselves,
along with possible explanations for subjects being described as
"proof" when in reality nothing verifiable is offered.] [Who's
Loitus? Besides if this guy is banned how did I get this?] [Very good Obany, done your homework, but like all zeta faithful you can't help but bend the facts as usual. Try reading it again. Nancy was criticizing the message not the messenger. Hence the message was STS. (I can print the full text if you like.) Although everything mentioned by my "nasty aliens" has since been touted as Zeta gospel in recent messages, like the implants and the elite monitoring Zetatalk and TT..... Ooops, which must make the Zetas STS as well, either that or "my aliens" were telling the truth. (Although when viewing the actions of Nancy and the likes of you her moderators it appears more like the first explanation.) But then the Zetas never mentioned STS just that my alien's didn't have a contract with Nancy's group so couldn't engage. Nancytalk put the STS spin on it although once again check it out and you'll note its on the message not the messenger. I believed that meant I was somehow STS, for a short while, but soon figured it was all bullshit geared to frighten any potential and conceived threat to Nancy's "limelight" as she proved consistently throughout my four years on the group. SHE "confirmed" I was in contact with aliens so I guess that means you must therefore believe her or else admit she somehow lied, which wouldn't be a very clever tactic, likely to incur Nancy's wrath. However if that means I'm deluded for believing I spoke to aliens then what does that make your glorious Lieder? As she speaks to them regularly. The only difference being I don't ask nor force anyone to believe me. Secondly it's ironic how Nancy can make whatever outlandish claims she wants and goes completely unchallenged by the likes of you while anyone else making similar claims is ridiculed, unless of course its by the faithful disciples themselves, like Jan, or Mike O'Hara when no one makes any derogatory comments what so ever. (Yet another example of hypocrisy.)
As to being STS or STO, unless you can somehow verify such things exist I guess we can put that down to yet another piece of speculation and a mute argument as neither of us can prove or disprove the existence of our little alien friends let alone testify to any imaginary orientation, just like the 12th planet really. (You can of course try where the zetadrones on sci-astro have failed and show me some actual proof. Although you won't find any on Zetatalk. Do that and you'd be debunking the debunkers wouldn't you? I can give a whole separate segment on this very topic if you'd like to participate?)
If you also bother to check you'll see that Nancy's comment was made in 1999. I spent the next four years contributing with various Forum and News material as well as helping set up tt-welcome helping those poor unfortunates attacked under the various witch-hunts. I never hid my skepticism, indeed had a few arguments with Nancy over various topics on tt while still maintaining respect during the discussion I might add. (Unlike the mudslinging and personal abuse utilized by most of the faithful in similar arguments.) Which sort of renders your disgruntled theory somewhat useless. Unless of course you'd care to explain why my "story" is still on Nancy's Troubled Times site along with all my contributions if I'm a debunker or government plant? Why isn't there a disclaimer mentioning me prior to this day and why didn't the Zetas mention this little fact during their opinion on my communiqué? (Although you'll probably think of something, you have to to maintain waning belief.)
Unlike many hypocrites over there I made preparations, learned survival skills and even invented my own power supply that can give both electric and kinetic energy using nothing more than natural resources. How about any of you? (Not that there will be any 12th planet now or in the near future.) Perhaps we'll have a meaningful discussion after May of this year?
Do
I hate Nancy? Of course not. I just don't like the way she struts her
stuff and influences, through manipulation using the likes of you, other
moderators and faithful.] [Yes
Jurian by your own words and actions making out you're all for freedom
of speech, banning Nancy because of her digs at Silk and MC, then
joining QueenVee in a takeover call of the Zetatalk IRC against Obany
and Jeremy, even promoting going over Nancy's head to oust the present
moderators. What would you call that? (Perhaps I should devote a whole
section on hypocrisy, but then you're only minor league in the grand
scale of Zetatalk and tt, so it would be a waste of web space.) Besides
I never said I wasn't a hypocrite, remember I was once part of tt which
automatically enrolls me in that honorary school, but then at least I'm
honest about my doubts. Why did you quite the TT-INC Jurian? Wasn't it
due to your own lack of faith? Yet here you are on poleshift once again
pushing Nancy's agenda. See now that's how hypocrisy works.] [You're
welcome anytime unlike many over there, although I doubt you'll find
anything of use. Besides eavesdroppers rarely hear anything good about
themselves.] [Why?
Only the guilty have something to hide and I only print the facts?] [My sentiments exactly.] ------o------ So when is poleshiftdiscussion going to discuss a pole shift or preparation? I've seen precious evidence. Ok a few safe areas and some mention of earthquakes but that's about all. It spends more time quizzing newcomers and talking about QueenVee's dogs. Most of the membership I've spoken too only tolerates it because they're waiting for the serious stuff to begin. Only put up with the heavy moderation and personal crap in the hopes its going to get better as there's precious little anywhere else since the prep2003 list ended. Which means you're sat on an illusion that's going to collapse fairly soon, so what will you do then? Start another group under some other pretence? (Good luck using those tactics it won't last long either.)
Had you concentrated on the title instead of the farce you're all presenting I would have shown no interest. I have great respect for those working on tt-watch and forum using their available talent to surmount a possible devastating outcome regardless of the existence of a 12th planet or not. (Notice there is no mention on this site regarding anyone from there working on solution sets, except for Havas, Dell and the astronomy team who are perpetrating the imaging hoax.)
Poleshift# covers nothing except hypocrisy and blatant personal prejudice. It's only useful role that of a cultist mentality pushing the Zeta message without question while all the time talking about nothing and waiting to fulfill its role as yet another zeta platform for Nancy at the weekend. And if that's the picture painted then unfortunately I think you'll find that's due in the main to your own actions and words nothing more. (You may be able to silence those on your group but you cannot silence the opinion of the world.) So fulfill the original intent, play nice and treat people the same way you would have them treat you and you'll find nothing here.
The TRUTH hurts and far more than any imaginary planet, as you'll all learn shortly?
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