" So what about those who feel

they have a job to do. I mean those

who have been in the core group of

troubled times etc.

Those who care for the chats and mailing lists. Those people?"

Gerard Zwaan (AKA Obany)

Zetatalk IRC

May 10th, 2003

[22:58] <NancyLied> ANNOUNCEMENT: Phil of Bad Astronomy is going onto C2C next Tues 5/13 but I have NOT been invited. This was after Noory challenged him on the air in my presence to debate me, and I accepted unequivacably.
[22:58] <NancyLied> Phil then put on his web site that he WOULD debate me, and came into the chat the next day Sat 4/26 and asserted he would, though I was predicting he would CHICKEN OUT, which it now appears he has.
[22:59] <NancyLied> Also, NASA put up a page hurriedly on May 5 supporting Phil and blasting me! Would not list my web site, but listed his.
[22:59] <NancyLied> So, Phil CHICKENED OUT and ran to DADDY NASA whinning, apparently.
[23:00] <NancyLied> Not man enough to face a woman, that's Phil.
[So Phil now owns Coast To Coast and can tell the host what to do when it comes to interviews. After all isn't that what Nancy does dictates and expects everyone to fit her into their schedule? Of course not. Surely now Nancy has had her say Phil should have his, uninterrupted. C2C should have had another show on the 14th with both present then that would have been fun.]
 

[You should also note that she appears as NancyLied. This is because someone else on #Zetatalk2 Chat stole her nick-name so she couldn't use it. But due to the association of the word lied, which is what the debunkers regularily accuse Nancy of doing and a few complaints from her regulars Nancy opted for a change of nick to NancyHere. Once again more interested in her credibility than the issue of planet X.]

[23:02] <NancyHere> SIGNS of the TIMES #1: Homeland Security MOBILIZES on May 10th
[23:02] <NancyHere> Who believes that rotation stoppage and a pole shift are around the corner? Tom Ridge of Homeland Security! Announced on May 4 2003, but supposedly planned since June 2001, Operation TOPOFF will start today, May 12th, involving 100 agencies, and last into the following week.
[23:02] <NancyHere> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13847-2003May4.html “Huge Homeland Security Drill Planned ... This is the scenario: At noon in Seattle, a hidden bomb explodes ... The next day and some 2,000 miles to the east, people complaining of flu-like symptoms begin to trickle into hospitals in the Chicago area.”
[23:02] <NancyHere> “These fictional events are set to unfold over five days beginning May 12 in what federal officials say will be the largest homeland security exercise in U.S. history. Dubbed TOPOFF 2 ... involve more than 100 federal, state and local agencies, the American Red Cross and Canadian government agencies. ... About 8,500 people will take part in this exercise, including officials in the District, Maryland and Virginia... “
[Games intended to cover martial law? There aren't enough US troops to cover every city in the US, there's alot still in Iraq remember. The conquered country that isn't suposed to be conquered. That wasn't supposed to have been invaded.]

[23:02] <NancyHere> SIGNS of the TIMES #2: Old Man of the Mountain COLLAPSE
[23:02] <NancyHere> “Granite stone face carved by nature into the White Mountains of New Hampshire millions of years ago collapsed into a massive pile of rubble yesterday. ... The soaring stone face, which began to be carved by nature, high in the White Mountains, millions of years ago, has collapsed into a massive pile of rubble.”
[23:02] <NancyHere> http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-4may2003-32.htm
[So a million year old stone face crumbles and this is the best indication of  planet X's existence?]

[23:03] <NancyHere> SIGNS of the TIMES #3: Japanese CULT Cataclysms May 15th
[23:03] <NancyHere>

 http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/news/20030505p2a00m0fp003000c.html

 “Panawave was reportedly formed in the late 1970s and has an official membership of around 3,000 ...The group claims that electromagnetic waves are causing catastrophic environmental destruction, including a rise in temperature. The damages caused by the waves will ultimately result in the end of the earth, ...”
[23:03] <NancyHere> “Cult members believe a massive earthquake will occur on May 15, destroying humanity. It claims the domes in Oizumi can withstand any natural disaster.”
[The Japanese translator of Zetatalk and cult member that claims their seal is going to save humanity. I notice Nancy didn't address this issue, although asked.]

[23:03] <NancyHere> SIGNS of the TIMES #4: NASA Article Blasts Nancy Lieder/May 15th
[23:03] <NancyHere>

 http://128.102.38.40/impact/news_detail.cfm?ID=125 “Niburu and Other Nonsense: Article Posted: May 05, 2003. The wild stories about an approaching planet or comet are false! ... also there have been no unusual levels of earthquakes ... try Google searches on ‘Niburu’ or ‘Nancy Leider’.”
[23:03] <NancyHere> “If you want the real story on Nibiru or Planet X, check out the following website

 http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html.”
[Could it be because Nancy is making outrageous claims?]

[23:04] <NancyHere> End of SIGNS
[A better Sign of the Times might have been the rogue planet itself, but no one has seen it, accept for Nancy herself.]


[23:06] <NancyHere> Q1: What the sudden announcement on May 4 of TOPOFF exercises and NASA support for Phil of Bad Astronomy site? At the same time, Nancy Lieder given a lot of press!
[Again, could it be because Nancy is making a public fool of herself?]
[23:06] <NancyHere> ZT: The past week has been a week of events, some natural, some political.
[23:07] <NancyHere> ZT: Weather and quakes extremes have increased to the extent that they have become undeniable, to any not brain dead.
[Bad weather yes, but no proof any mystery planet is responsible.]
[23:07] <NancyHere> ZT: As we predicted, droughts and deluges, and lineal increase in quakes to the extent that they would be more than subliminal trembers but NOTICED, has occurred.
[Lineal increases? There's nothing worse now than at the beginning of 2000. So why haven't we seen this so called "increase?"]
[23:08] <NancyHere> ZT: At the same time, the unaided eye sightings occurred on schedule, as well as the Second Sun sightings, all registered on photos for the public unable to get clear skies or a solid view to see.
[Unaided eye sightings? Where and by who. No one]
[23:09] <NancyHere> ZT: Nancy has, within the US, been given broad coverage recently, on C2C and Gentile, on local radio stations, and beyond the interviews word of mouth is like wild fire on the issue.
[A couple of interviews on Coast To Coast is broad coverage? So what about the rest of the world?]
[23:10] <NancyHere> ZT: As we have repeatedly stated, when ZetaTalk has SUCCESS, the push back increases to meet this success, a reason for allowing Nancy to stumble on occasion on minor issues like the Beatles, and to be so broke as to be assumed unable to function by the arrogant rich who consider her a prime threat.
[Success? I must have missed that one. I notice however she keeps mentioning this Beatle error. What about the Hale Bopp and asteroid/planet X false ident? Or Iraq or naked eye hoax photographs that she verified as genuine. I'd say she is allowed to stumble a lot.]
[23:11] <NancyHere> ZT: The issue came up last Saturday in chat as to whether the White House took credence in the May 15 to June 1 time frame for serious rotation stoppage and pole shift to occur, and our answer was that they did NOT.
[So, if the White House isn't interested why does Nancy claim they listen in on her IRC?]
[23:12] <NancyHere> ZT: So what changed, this past week, that 1. a May 4 announcement of the TOPOFF exercises, mobilizing 100 agencies nationwide and into Canada, and 2. a May 5 NASA web site article listing Nancy Lieder by NAME as well as Nibiru, debunking the issue of a passage soon.
[In other words - nothing.]
[23:13] <NancyHere> ZT: If one wanted to debunk, why not leave her name out of it, as undoubedly the readership would locate the ZetaTalk web site in Internet searches.
[Oh dear she's upset they used her name. Now everyone might think she's a kook or something.]
[23:14] <NancyHere> ZT: Is this Good Cop/Bad Cop on the issues, both denying the truth while putting the spot light on the prime spokesperson, Nancy?
[If they were trying to hide it I hardly think they're going to spotlight the issue. Much easier to just make Nancy disappear.]
[23:14] <NancyHere> ZT: YES! And what has occurred that this situation was quickly scrambled forth?
[23:15] <NancyHere> ZT: It has often been presented that human astrophysics simply does not consider the SPEED of approach of Planet X that we have always asserted is possible, and that an orbit such as we have described from the start would occur.
[23:16] <NancyHere> ZT: Yes, NASA and JPL located the brown dwarf in 1983, estimated its size and distance, and then fell to holding their beath, as they viewed ANY approach as outside of their lifetimes.
[23:16] <NancyHere> ZT: Up until 1995, it was virtually in place, dithering at the midpoint.
[23:17] <NancyHere> ZT: When it began to move, the uptick was slow at first, then increasing in the last year or so to ZOOM into the outer edges of the solar system.
[23:17] <NancyHere> ZT: This was much ridiculed on sci.astro, as the rule is that any object approaching a solar system at that speed would reach what humans call escape velocity, and never return.
[23:18] <NancyHere> ZT: Since this was purported by the ancients and geological evidence to be a repeater, they assumed such a speed would NOT occur, but it did.
[23:19] <NancyHere> ZT: When the speed was noted, the ORBIT was then clung to as a hope that a close passage would not occur, as human astrophysics does NOT consider the Repulsion Force to exist as we have described it.
[23:19] <NancyHere> ZT: Thus, they computed a straight line through the solar system, FAR afield from a close passage to the Earth, and went about grabbing the oil fields in the MidEast and other such more pressing issues.
[23:20] <NancyHere> ZT: Recently, they have lost visibility, losing probes such as the Pioneer and distracted by the loss of the Columbia.
[23:20] <NancyHere> ZT: Other probes also were lost, unknown to the public.
[23:21] <NancyHere> ZT: When the dust of distraction cleared and fresh astronauts were placed on the Space Station, they set about triangulating again to examine the orbit of Planet X.
[23:21] <NancyHere> ZT: To their horror, its orbit was assuming what WE have always asserted!
[23:22] <NancyHere> ZT: Thus, the sudden adjustment to a possible May 15, or shortly thereafter, occurrence of severe panic in the populace was done.
[So they can calculate precise trajectories for space probes, satellites and rogue asteroids, but can't work out the arrival of a giant planet which they've known about since 1983?]
[23:22] <NancyHere> ZT: In other words, if we have been RIGHT about the orbit and the speed, then we might be RIGHT about the date!
[Which begs the question, once again - " where is it?]
[23:24] <NancyHere> ZT: What adjustments were to be made, then, in an arrogant group of elite who assumed they had months to secure the MidEast oil fields, to arrange to blow up bridges so the underclass in large cities would drown or die in quake and not escape, and to block roads thoughout the nations in this conspiricy to rule the world as kings afterwards so that only DESIREABLE workers survived to be enslaved.
[23:24] <NancyHere> ZT: Should they call Martial Law, in order to enforce blockades?
[23:25] <NancyHere> ZT: This would be problematic IF our date proved wrong, as Martial Law cannot be sustained for long in countries not used to these restrictions.
[23:26] <NancyHere> ZT: Should they fake terrorism attacks, as they planned to do on the aniversary of 911, or plant evidence as they hoped to do prior to the invasion of Iraq?
[23:26] <NancyHere> ZT: This has been so consistently symied, by ourselves and others working with the Council of Worlds, that they feared failure, another embarrassment like the faked Nuclear material memos provided to the UN prior to the Iraq invasion.
[23:27] <NancyHere> ZT: What was left? An exercise, to mobilize the agencies, the troops, and broad enough in scope and time that ANY city finding roads blocked or troops about could be placated by the announcment that this was only part of the exercise.
[23:28] <NancyHere> ZT: After all, exercises MUST contain some unknowns, or the agencies to be exercises are not exercised!
[23:28] <NancyHere> ZT: They are not simply walking through a script, the actors are to be given SURPRISES, and thus they might have to go to LA to break up a terrorism cell, or Miami.
[23:29] <NancyHere> ZT: If no other clue that the Earth Changes we have been predicting since 1995 are TRUE, the timing of these exercises is a LOUD announcement that they are considered true by NASA and the White House.
[Once again how can a limited number martial such a large country?]
[23:30] <NancyHere> ZT: So, given that, why is Nancy suddenly being given publicity, albeit negative publicity?
[Nancy isn't, she's receiving no less or more publicity then she has already. All that's happening is that the vultures are circling, waiting for the death of Zetatalk.]
[23:30] <NancyHere> ZT: As we have stated in the past, repeatedly, ZetaTalk is the SINGLE source of a positive message about how to survive, and live afterwards.
[23:31] <NancyHere> ZT: Other sites have been attempted, and only resulted in people clutching to each other, small group formation.
[23:32] <NancyHere> ZT: ZetaTalk has, under the democratic hand of Nancy and those who have worked with her on Troubled Times, developed a set of survival guides, including Energy, Food, Shelter, and Health needs, that the public can consume quickly and researcxh readily.
[Democratic? Oh I get it, the same democracy Bush and Blair are using. Do as I say, don't think, don't ask questions and if you do you must be part of the problem not the solution.]
[23:32] <NancyHere> ZT: Nancy has never failed to mention HOW one can survive, the simple steps, and where to go for the information, on her interviews, and acts as an information officer for the site on email, pointing to the TOPICS the anxious correspondent needs to find.
[23:33] <NancyHere> ZT: Put yourself in the shoes of the White House, In shock that the date might be SOON, and not sure how the mobilization and control of the populace might play out.
[23:34] <NancyHere> ZT: How to dampen panic? Give them solutions! And thus, we have Nancy in the wings!
[No you remove panic. By not telling them in the first place. Ignorance is bliss.]
[23:34] <NancyHere> End ZT on this matter.

[Note: It took Nancy twenty-eight minutes to answer just one question, which basically stated absolutely nothing.]

[23:39] <NancyHere> Q2: Sequence of Events: Do you have an estimate when electricity and phones will go out? Should people stay in their trenches until the stars start to move again, or the Sun? Should they stay longer, if possible?
[23:40] <NancyHere> ZT: ZetaTalk is a vast web site, and though well organized due to time constraints those recently learning of the coming changes are desperate to get a SHORT LIST of what to expect and what to do.
[23:41] <NancyHere> ZT: In the week or so leading up to rotation stoppage, what can be expected is a continuation of today, extreme weather, quakes in bursts globally, and a gradual slowing of rotation such that clocks never seem to be synched up anymore.
[23:42] <NancyHere> ZT: Then the day or days before rotation stoppage will increase this slowdown such that minutes, then hours, then a total stop will occur.
[23:42] <NancyHere> ZT: In other words, you will have but two days notice, and the first of those days doubtful as it will involve MINUTES, not seconds, and clocks being off already this will be a confused point.
[23:43] <NancyHere> ZT: It is the day when the Sun sets hours later than expected that should be the trumpet in the skies, the flashing red light, the announcment you have been waiting for that NOW is the moment to drop all and rush to your safe location.
[23:44] <NancyHere> ZT: Up until rotation stops, the crust of the Earth is under stress but dealing with it as before, with increased quakes and weirld weather and melting poles, but only a slight increase day to day in these matters.
[23:44] <NancyHere> ZT: When rotation stops, the core is trying to turn, the crust locked in place by the approaching Planet X grip on the strong magneticized Atlantic Rift, and dramatic changes occur.
[23:45] <NancyHere> ZT: The Earth moans, and the stretch along the Atlantic will snap bridges, tear electric and phone lines, and derail trains.
[23:46] <NancyHere> ZT: THIS is where imploding buildings will occur, as the underlying infrastructure will move, collapsing the buildings overhead.
[23:46] <NancyHere> ZT: In areas of compression, where mountain building is occurring or along the Pacific Rim, volcanic activity will greatly increase,
[23:47] <NancyHere> ZT: A stopped rotation will affect the atmosphere, in that wind current will be more EXTREME, moving cold air primarily to warm places, which can result in more tornado activity in those areas affected.
[23:47] <NancyHere> ZT: Likewise, ocean currents will move differently, cold water rushing more rapidly to those warm areas, and swirling.
[23:48] <NancyHere> ZT: This will create more hurrican or typhoon type activity in those areas affected.
[23:48] <NancyHere> ZT: Given all this, the populace will be greatly distracted, and might MISS the next sign to watch for, which is the dusting with red dust that turns rivers and lakes blood red and bitter.
[23:49] <NancyHere> ZT: This dusting is followed by hail, and stronger quakes as at this point the shift is only days or hours away.
[23:50] <NancyHere> ZT: For those not able to see the sky, to gauge motion of the crust during the hour of the shift by a movement of the Sun or Moon or stars, they should at this point be IN their trenches, virtually living there.
[23:51] <NancyHere> ZT: Obviosuly, as the shift takes place over an hour, and it is the STOP of the crustal slide where the huge quakes occur, one can leave to relieve themselves or strech, but certianly sleeping should take be done in the trenches.
[23:51] <NancyHere> ZT: At the start of the shift, there is a STRONG clue that crustal shift has started, and this is the uptick in wind.
[23:52] <NancyHere> ZT: As the crust moves, the atmosphere resists, and THIS causes hurricane force winds globally.[23:52] <NancyHere> ZT: Where the wind was stronger than usual during rotation stoppage, this will be unique in that it will come FRON the direction the crust is moving.
[23:52] <NancyHere> ZT: For North America, for instance, the crust will be moving NW, and the hurrican winds comes FROM that direction.
[23:53] <NancyHere> ZT: To those confused about direction, take a globe, take our Scripted Drama steps so nicely diagramed and linked from the Pole Shift section of ZetaTalk, and rotate the globe accordingly.
[23:54] <NancyHere> ZT: There will also be a jiggling in the Earth, a sense of motion, jerking, that will be consistent with crustal movement.
[23:54] <NancyHere> ZT: during this hour of the shift.
[23:55] <NancyHere> ZT: The hurrican force winds persist for an hour or more after the shift, as the atmosphere adjusts.
[23:55] <NancyHere> ZT: Except as a caution to watch for falling structures around you, broken glass, fearful animals that might attack if they feel they are blocked, there is NO reason not to emerge from your trenches.
[23:56] <NancyHere> ZT: It is over, and picking up the pieces and comforting the injured and devastated can start.
[23:56] <NancyHere> End ZT on this matter.

[Note: This one took seventeen minutes. The Zetas must have been talking slowly, either that or Nancy was playing for time so she wouldn't have to answer awkward questions.]

[23:56] <Jeremy32> Nancy: Should the public forget about attending next Saturdays IRC session and relocate NOW, fast??
[Jeremy didn't get an answer.]
[23:58] <NancyHere> Folks, we are about to have a thunderstorm here, and it is the hour.
[23:58] <NancyHere> I lost a PC to lighting via the phone lines, and a power strip to another strike, tall trees around here.
[23:58] <obany> so what about those who feel they have a job todo > i mean those who have been in the core group of troubled times etc. Those who care for the chats and mailinglists. Those people?
[Obany didn't get an answer.]
[23:59] <NancyHere> SO< I'm going to sign off and unplug the darn phone line.
[23:59] <NancyHere> Bye! Thanks opes again! Next week if God and the Internet is willing, etc!
[How convenient a thunderstorm should show up. It'll be interesting to see if she turns up on the 17th, although we should by then have reached rotation stoppage with all hell breaking loose if we believe Nancy's scenario. So this should be Nancy's very last public appearance? you'd have thought she would have at least wished her flock good luck, although I suspect nothing will have changed by the 17th. (Should make for an interesting session.]
 

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