what about those who feel
they have a job to
do. I mean those
who have been in
the core group of
Those who care for
the chats and mailing lists. Those people?"
ANNOUNCEMENT: Phil of Bad Astronomy is going onto C2C next Tues 5/13 but
I have NOT been invited. This was after Noory challenged him on the air
in my presence to debate me, and I accepted unequivacably.
[22:58] <NancyLied> Phil then put on his web site that he WOULD
debate me, and came into the chat the next day Sat 4/26 and asserted he
would, though I was predicting he would CHICKEN OUT, which it now
appears he has.
[22:59] <NancyLied> Also, NASA put up a page hurriedly on May 5
supporting Phil and blasting me! Would not list my web site, but listed
[22:59] <NancyLied> So, Phil CHICKENED OUT and ran to DADDY NASA
[23:00] <NancyLied> Not man enough to face a woman, that's Phil.
[So Phil now owns
Coast To Coast and can tell the host what to do when it comes to
interviews. After all isn't that what Nancy does
dictates and expects everyone to fit her into their schedule? Of course
not. Surely now Nancy has had her say Phil should have his,
uninterrupted. C2C should have had another show on the 14th with both
present then that would have been fun.]
should also note that she appears as NancyLied. This is because someone
else on #Zetatalk2 Chat stole her nick-name so she couldn't use it. But
due to the association of the word lied, which is what the debunkers
regularily accuse Nancy of doing and a few complaints from her regulars
Nancy opted for a change of nick to NancyHere. Once again more
interested in her credibility than the issue of planet X.]
SIGNS of the TIMES #1: Homeland Security MOBILIZES on May 10th
[23:02] <NancyHere> Who believes that rotation stoppage and a
pole shift are around the corner? Tom Ridge of Homeland Security!
Announced on May 4 2003, but supposedly planned since June 2001,
Operation TOPOFF will start today, May 12th, involving 100 agencies, and
last into the following week.
[23:02] <NancyHere> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13847-2003May4.html
“Huge Homeland Security Drill Planned ... This is the scenario: At noon
in Seattle, a hidden bomb explodes ... The next day and some 2,000 miles
to the east, people complaining of flu-like symptoms begin to trickle
into hospitals in the Chicago area.”
[23:02] <NancyHere> “These fictional events are set to unfold
over five days beginning May 12 in what federal officials say will be
the largest homeland security exercise in U.S. history. Dubbed TOPOFF 2
... involve more than 100 federal, state and local agencies, the
American Red Cross and Canadian government agencies. ... About 8,500
people will take part in this exercise, including officials in the
District, Maryland and Virginia... “
to cover martial law? There aren't enough US troops to cover every city
in the US, there's alot still in Iraq remember. The conquered country
that isn't suposed to be conquered. That wasn't supposed to have been
SIGNS of the TIMES #2: Old Man of the Mountain COLLAPSE
[23:02] <NancyHere> “Granite stone face carved by nature into the
White Mountains of New Hampshire millions of years ago collapsed into a
massive pile of rubble yesterday. ... The soaring stone face, which
began to be carved by nature, high in the White Mountains, millions of
years ago, has collapsed into a massive pile of rubble.”
[23:02] <NancyHere> http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-4may2003-32.htm
[So a million
year old stone face crumbles and this is the best
indication of planet X's existence?]
SIGNS of the TIMES #3: Japanese CULT Cataclysms May 15th
“Panawave was reportedly formed
in the late 1970s and has an official membership of around 3,000 ...The
group claims that electromagnetic waves are causing catastrophic
environmental destruction, including a rise in temperature. The damages
caused by the waves will ultimately result in the end of the earth, ...”
[23:03] <NancyHere> “Cult members believe a massive earthquake
will occur on May 15, destroying humanity. It claims the domes in Oizumi
can withstand any natural disaster.”
Japanese translator of Zetatalk and cult
member that claims their seal is going to save
humanity. I notice Nancy didn't
address this issue, although asked.]
SIGNS of the TIMES #4: NASA Article Blasts Nancy Lieder/May 15th
“Niburu and Other Nonsense: Article Posted: May 05, 2003. The wild
stories about an approaching planet or comet are false! ... also there
have been no unusual levels of earthquakes ... try Google searches on
‘Niburu’ or ‘Nancy Leider’.”
[23:03] <NancyHere> “If you want the real story on Nibiru or
Planet X, check out the following website
[Could it be
because Nancy is making outrageous claims?]
[23:04] <NancyHere> End
better Sign of the Times might have been the rogue planet itself, but no
one has seen it, accept for Nancy herself.]
<NancyHere> Q1: What the
sudden announcement on May 4 of TOPOFF exercises and NASA support for
Phil of Bad Astronomy site? At the same time, Nancy Lieder given a lot
[Again, could it
be because Nancy is making a public fool of herself?]
[23:06] <NancyHere> ZT:
The past week has been a week of events, some natural, some political.
[23:07] <NancyHere> ZT: Weather and quakes extremes have
increased to the extent that they have become undeniable, to any not
[Bad weather yes,
but no proof any mystery planet is responsible.]
[23:07] <NancyHere> ZT: As we predicted, droughts and deluges,
and lineal increase in quakes to the extent that they would be more than
subliminal trembers but NOTICED, has occurred.
increases? There's nothing worse now than at the beginning of 2000. So
why haven't we seen this so called "increase?"]
[23:08] <NancyHere> ZT: At the same time, the unaided eye
sightings occurred on schedule, as well as the Second Sun sightings, all
registered on photos for the public unable to get clear skies or a solid
view to see.
sightings? Where and by who. No one]
[23:09] <NancyHere> ZT:
Nancy has, within the US, been given broad coverage recently, on C2C and
Gentile, on local radio stations, and beyond the interviews word of
mouth is like wild fire on the issue.
[A couple of interviews on Coast To Coast is broad coverage? So what
about the rest of the world?]
[23:10] <NancyHere> ZT: As we have repeatedly stated, when
ZetaTalk has SUCCESS, the push back increases to meet this success, a
reason for allowing Nancy to stumble on occasion on minor issues like
the Beatles, and to be so broke as to be assumed unable to function by
the arrogant rich who consider her a prime threat.
[Success? I must
have missed that one. I notice
however she keeps mentioning this Beatle
error. What about the Hale Bopp and asteroid/planet X false ident? Or
Iraq or naked eye hoax photographs that she verified
as genuine. I'd say she is allowed to stumble a lot.]
<NancyHere> ZT: The issue
came up last Saturday in chat as to whether the White House took
credence in the May 15 to June 1 time frame for serious rotation
stoppage and pole shift to occur, and our answer was that they did NOT.
[So, if the White
House isn't interested why does Nancy claim they listen in on her IRC?]
[23:12] <NancyHere> ZT:
So what changed, this past week, that 1. a May 4 announcement of the
TOPOFF exercises, mobilizing 100 agencies nationwide and into Canada,
and 2. a May 5 NASA web site article listing Nancy Lieder by NAME as
well as Nibiru, debunking the issue of a passage soon.
[In other words -
[23:13] <NancyHere> ZT:
If one wanted to debunk, why not leave her name out of it, as undoubedly
the readership would locate the ZetaTalk web site in Internet searches.
[Oh dear she's
upset they used her name. Now everyone might think she's a kook or
ZT: Is this Good Cop/Bad Cop on the issues, both denying the truth while
putting the spot light on the prime spokesperson, Nancy?
[If they were
trying to hide it I hardly think they're going to spotlight the issue.
Much easier to just make Nancy disappear.]
[23:14] <NancyHere> ZT:
YES! And what has occurred that this situation was quickly scrambled
[23:15] <NancyHere> ZT: It has often been presented that human
astrophysics simply does not consider the SPEED of approach of Planet X
that we have always asserted is possible, and that an orbit such as we
have described from the start would occur.
[23:16] <NancyHere> ZT: Yes, NASA and JPL located the brown dwarf
in 1983, estimated its size and distance, and then fell to holding their
beath, as they viewed ANY approach as outside of their lifetimes.
[23:16] <NancyHere> ZT: Up until 1995, it was virtually in place,
dithering at the midpoint.
[23:17] <NancyHere> ZT:
When it began to move, the uptick was slow at first, then increasing in
the last year or so to ZOOM into the outer edges of the solar system.
[23:17] <NancyHere> ZT: This was much ridiculed on sci.astro, as
the rule is that any object approaching a solar system at that speed
would reach what humans call escape velocity, and never return.
[23:18] <NancyHere> ZT: Since this was purported by the ancients
and geological evidence to be a repeater, they assumed such a speed
would NOT occur, but it did.
[23:19] <NancyHere> ZT: When the speed was noted, the ORBIT was
then clung to as a hope that a close passage would not occur, as human
astrophysics does NOT consider the Repulsion Force to exist as we have
[23:19] <NancyHere> ZT: Thus, they computed a straight line
through the solar system, FAR afield from a close passage to the Earth,
and went about grabbing the oil fields in the MidEast and other such
more pressing issues.
[23:20] <NancyHere> ZT: Recently, they have lost visibility,
losing probes such as the Pioneer and distracted by the loss of the
[23:20] <NancyHere> ZT: Other probes also were lost, unknown to
[23:21] <NancyHere> ZT:
When the dust of distraction cleared and fresh astronauts were placed on
the Space Station, they set about triangulating again to examine the
orbit of Planet X.
[23:21] <NancyHere> ZT: To their horror, its orbit was assuming
what WE have always asserted!
[23:22] <NancyHere> ZT: Thus, the sudden adjustment to a possible
May 15, or shortly thereafter, occurrence of severe panic in the
populace was done.
[So they can
calculate precise trajectories for space probes, satellites and rogue
asteroids, but can't work out the arrival of a giant planet which
they've known about since 1983?]
[23:22] <NancyHere> ZT:
In other words, if we have been RIGHT about the orbit and the speed,
then we might be RIGHT about the date!
[Which begs the question, once again - " where is it?]
[23:24] <NancyHere> ZT: What adjustments were to be made, then,
in an arrogant group of elite who assumed they had months to secure the
MidEast oil fields, to arrange to blow up bridges so the underclass in
large cities would drown or die in quake and not escape, and to block
roads thoughout the nations in this conspiricy to rule the world as
kings afterwards so that only DESIREABLE workers survived to be
[23:24] <NancyHere> ZT: Should they call Martial Law, in order to
[23:25] <NancyHere> ZT: This would be problematic IF our date
proved wrong, as Martial Law cannot be sustained for long in countries
not used to these restrictions.
[23:26] <NancyHere> ZT: Should they fake terrorism attacks, as
they planned to do on the aniversary of 911, or plant evidence as they
hoped to do prior to the invasion of Iraq?
[23:26] <NancyHere> ZT: This has been so consistently symied, by
ourselves and others working with the Council of Worlds, that they
feared failure, another embarrassment like the faked Nuclear material
memos provided to the UN prior to the Iraq invasion.
[23:27] <NancyHere> ZT: What was left? An exercise, to mobilize
the agencies, the troops, and broad enough in scope and time that ANY
city finding roads blocked or troops about could be placated by the
announcment that this was only part of the exercise.
[23:28] <NancyHere> ZT: After all, exercises MUST contain some
unknowns, or the agencies to be exercises are not exercised!
[23:28] <NancyHere> ZT: They are not simply walking through a
script, the actors are to be given SURPRISES, and thus they might have
to go to LA to break up a terrorism cell, or Miami.
[23:29] <NancyHere> ZT: If no other clue that the Earth Changes
we have been predicting since 1995 are TRUE, the timing of these
exercises is a LOUD announcement that they are considered true by NASA
and the White House.
[Once again how can a limited number martial such a large country?]
[23:30] <NancyHere> ZT: So, given that, why is Nancy suddenly
being given publicity, albeit negative publicity?
she's receiving no less or more publicity then
she has already. All that's happening is that
the vultures are circling, waiting for the death of Zetatalk.]
[23:30] <NancyHere> ZT:
As we have stated in the past, repeatedly, ZetaTalk is the SINGLE source
of a positive message about how to survive, and live afterwards.
[23:31] <NancyHere> ZT: Other sites have been attempted, and only
resulted in people clutching to each other, small group formation.
[23:32] <NancyHere> ZT: ZetaTalk has, under the democratic hand
of Nancy and those who have worked with her on Troubled Times, developed
a set of survival guides, including Energy, Food, Shelter, and Health
needs, that the public can consume quickly and researcxh readily.
[Democratic? Oh I
get it, the same democracy Bush and Blair are using. Do as I say, don't
think, don't ask questions and if you do you must be part of the problem
not the solution.]
[23:32] <NancyHere> ZT:
Nancy has never failed to mention HOW one can survive, the simple steps,
and where to go for the information, on her interviews, and acts as an
information officer for the site on email, pointing to the TOPICS the
anxious correspondent needs to find.
[23:33] <NancyHere> ZT: Put yourself in the shoes of the White
House, In shock that the date might be SOON, and not sure how the
mobilization and control of the populace might play out.
[23:34] <NancyHere> ZT: How to dampen panic? Give them solutions!
And thus, we have Nancy in the wings!
[No you remove panic. By not telling them in the first place. Ignorance
[23:34] <NancyHere> End ZT on this matter.
[Note: It took
Nancy twenty-eight minutes to answer just one question, which basically
stated absolutely nothing.]
[23:39] <NancyHere> Q2:
Sequence of Events: Do you have an estimate when electricity and phones
will go out? Should people stay in their trenches until the stars start
to move again, or the Sun? Should they stay longer, if possible?
[23:40] <NancyHere> ZT: ZetaTalk is a vast web site, and though
well organized due to time constraints those recently learning of the
coming changes are desperate to get a SHORT LIST of what to expect and
what to do.
[23:41] <NancyHere> ZT: In the week or so leading up to rotation
stoppage, what can be expected is a continuation of today, extreme
weather, quakes in bursts globally, and a gradual slowing of rotation
such that clocks never seem to be synched up anymore.
[23:42] <NancyHere> ZT: Then the day or days before rotation
stoppage will increase this slowdown such that minutes, then hours, then
a total stop will occur.
[23:42] <NancyHere> ZT: In other words, you will have but two
days notice, and the first of those days doubtful as it will involve
MINUTES, not seconds, and clocks being off already this will be a
[23:43] <NancyHere> ZT: It is the day when the Sun sets hours
later than expected that should be the trumpet in the skies, the
flashing red light, the announcment you have been waiting for that NOW
is the moment to drop all and rush to your safe location.
[23:44] <NancyHere> ZT: Up until rotation stops, the crust of the
Earth is under stress but dealing with it as before, with increased
quakes and weirld weather and melting poles, but only a slight increase
day to day in these matters.
[23:44] <NancyHere> ZT: When rotation stops, the core is trying
to turn, the crust locked in place by the approaching Planet X grip on
the strong magneticized Atlantic Rift, and dramatic changes occur.
[23:45] <NancyHere> ZT: The Earth moans, and the stretch along
the Atlantic will snap bridges, tear electric and phone lines, and
[23:46] <NancyHere> ZT: THIS is where imploding buildings will
occur, as the underlying infrastructure will move, collapsing the
[23:46] <NancyHere> ZT: In areas of compression, where mountain
building is occurring or along the Pacific Rim, volcanic activity will
[23:47] <NancyHere> ZT: A stopped rotation will affect the
atmosphere, in that wind current will be more EXTREME, moving cold air
primarily to warm places, which can result in more tornado activity in
those areas affected.
[23:47] <NancyHere> ZT: Likewise, ocean currents will move
differently, cold water rushing more rapidly to those warm areas, and
[23:48] <NancyHere> ZT: This will create more hurrican or typhoon
type activity in those areas affected.
[23:48] <NancyHere> ZT: Given all this, the populace will be
greatly distracted, and might MISS the next sign to watch for, which is
the dusting with red dust that turns rivers and lakes blood red and
[23:49] <NancyHere> ZT: This dusting is followed by hail, and
stronger quakes as at this point the shift is only days or hours away.
[23:50] <NancyHere> ZT: For those not able to see the sky, to
gauge motion of the crust during the hour of the shift by a movement of
the Sun or Moon or stars, they should at this point be IN their
trenches, virtually living there.
[23:51] <NancyHere> ZT: Obviosuly, as the shift takes place over
an hour, and it is the STOP of the crustal slide where the huge quakes
occur, one can leave to relieve themselves or strech, but certianly
sleeping should take be done in the trenches.
[23:51] <NancyHere> ZT: At the start of the shift, there is a
STRONG clue that crustal shift has started, and this is the uptick in
[23:52] <NancyHere> ZT: As the crust moves, the atmosphere
resists, and THIS causes hurricane force winds globally.[23:52] <NancyHere>
ZT: Where the wind was stronger than usual during rotation stoppage,
this will be unique in that it will come FRON the direction the crust is
[23:52] <NancyHere> ZT: For North America, for instance, the
crust will be moving NW, and the hurrican winds comes FROM that
[23:53] <NancyHere> ZT: To those confused about direction, take a
globe, take our Scripted Drama steps so nicely diagramed and linked from
the Pole Shift section of ZetaTalk, and rotate the globe accordingly.
[23:54] <NancyHere> ZT: There will also be a jiggling in the
Earth, a sense of motion, jerking, that will be consistent with crustal
[23:54] <NancyHere> ZT: during this hour of the shift.
[23:55] <NancyHere> ZT: The hurrican force winds persist for an
hour or more after the shift, as the atmosphere adjusts.
[23:55] <NancyHere> ZT: Except as a caution to watch for falling
structures around you, broken glass, fearful animals that might attack
if they feel they are blocked, there is NO reason not to emerge from
[23:56] <NancyHere> ZT: It is over, and picking up the pieces and
comforting the injured and devastated can start.
[23:56] <NancyHere> End ZT on this matter.
[Note: This one took seventeen minutes. The Zetas must have been talking
slowly, either that or Nancy was playing for time so she wouldn't have
to answer awkward questions.]
Nancy: Should the public forget about attending next Saturdays IRC
session and relocate NOW, fast??
get an answer.]
Folks, we are about to have a thunderstorm here, and it is the hour.
[23:58] <NancyHere> I lost a PC to lighting via the phone lines,
and a power strip to another strike, tall trees around here.
[23:58] <obany> so what
about those who feel they have a job todo > i mean those who have been
in the core group of troubled times etc. Those who care for the chats
and mailinglists. Those people?
[Obany didn't get
[23:59] <NancyHere> SO<
I'm going to sign off and unplug the darn phone line.
[23:59] <NancyHere> Bye! Thanks opes again! Next week if God and
the Internet is willing, etc!
a thunderstorm should show up.
It'll be interesting to see if she turns up on the 17th,
although we should by then have reached rotation stoppage with all hell
breaking loose if we believe Nancy's scenario.
So this should be Nancy's very last public appearance?
you'd have thought she would have at least wished her
flock good luck, although I suspect nothing will have changed by the
17th. (Should make for an interesting session.]