"....as it winked in and out, faded and then reappeared."

Nancy Lieder

"I think one thing people need to understand is planets don't twinkle"

Steve Havas tt-inc March 30, 2003

Zetatalk IRC

April 19th, 2003

NancyL> Quote: "As the date approaches, the 7 week before passage point, you will begin to see something in the skies not there before! Something reddish, something moving over the evening unlike the stars you are anchored to. This portion of the sky will be coming into light pollution about that time, due to the position of the Earth moving to place the Sun between itself and Orion."
<NancyL> "Thus, this will be complicated by light pollution, but at the same time will be growing so much larger, so rapidly, that this will be a clue to those looking with unaided eye that they are looking at the Planet X complex. Daily checks, then, watching this complex move as our coordinates will indicate it should, will have you looking at this complex in the very early dawn going into the time when it will be visible in the daytime sky."

<NancyL> "Thus, for those wanting the very earliest indication that this is real, their own work can place them in this situation. They will have the information in hand, can bring their neighbors and friends to the early morning sightings session, and need no other to do this." ZETATALK
<NancyL> This was to clarify the Jan 7, 2003 IRC discussion on what PX will look like, which became April 2003 http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p172.htm Quote: "We have stated that Planet X will be visible in the daytime sky, 7 weeks before passage. ... Now, what will this look like early in the 7 week period? Certainly not like the Moon, nor a fire dragon." ZETATALK

[Anyone bothering to pay attention will have noticed how the seven week daytime viewing details have now changed and expanded.]
<NancyL> So it seems that the Zetas are saying that EASY and CONSISTENT daylight visibility will occur only very close to passage shortly after May 15, 2003. Prior to sunrise, the sky is flooded with orange. Since PX has presented orange it can be assumed to be doing this in the very early morning too, light bending and making PX larger just as the rising Sun is fat and large just at the moment of rising.

[PX now is only due to be visible nearer passage - May 15th. Very convenient. Yet despite her deception this is still a change of the original 7 week statement, conveniently arranged because the 12th planet is not visible. Despite Nancy's statements that she's seen it. ]
<NancyL> Thus, Q1 will be an expansion of the Unaided Eye page, a page which I intend to call Second Sun. Nibiru has been termed the 'Second Sun' in ancient texts, so when does this occur? And for those wondering if this means the date is well past June 1, is does NOT. I know the date, and it is well before June 1.

[So if this is not about convincing us why is Nancy adding it to her web site? Surely everyone is free to make up their own minds? Right?]
<NancyL> And regarding fakes vs nonfakes, the Zetas have NOT commented nor will they. This is to get the public involved in discerning, which they are readily doing.

[Again, why post both fakes and genuine sightings? Surely no one can know which is which. The Zetas have said they will allow freewill interpretation to take place, which basically means if you're stupid enough to believe in a fake then good for you, but ultimately they could all be fake and you'll never know the difference.]

 

<NancyL> Q1 is thus about daylight visibility, etc.
<NancyL> ZT: The distinctive appearance of Planet X in the sky, as reported by the ancients, as a fire dragon can already be understood by those viewing Planet X closely, as the swirling moons and dust cloud already give this impression.
<NancyL> ZT: The appearance has also been described as a second sun, with Egyptian plowmen working their fields under the red cross of Planet X in the daytime sky.
<NancyL> ZT: In that the placement of Planet X has put it into light pollution at this time, when does this second sun appear, or discernible daylight visibility for that matter?
<NancyL> ZT: We have, during the Feb 1 IRC, explained that Planet X would be best visible in the daylight during the early DAWN, yet for most of the world, viewing the placement in the skies at dawn does not occur until the shift is upon them.

[Once again a very convenient coincidence.]
<NancyL> ZT: Does this mean that daylight visibility will only occur at the last moment? No, and we will explain.
<NancyL> ZT: The Red Persona, which made its appearance during the Fall 2002 viewing season as soon as imaging began, is positioned far afield from what has been termed the White Persona, due to the tendency of the red light that characterizes the Red Persona to bend toward gravity influences.
<NancyL> ZT: Now that color photos are available, it is evident that the what humans term ORANGE is as predominant as RED in the color spectrum coming from Planet X.
<NancyL> ZT: Orange is the color of the rising and setting Sun, preceding the sunrise and lingering in the evening after the Sun has set.
<NancyL> ZT: This IS the red light wave that bends, and is emitted by Planet X, and thus bending of this light can be expected to continue to occur, in greater amounts as it comes closer.
<NancyL> ZT: In that the ORANGE bends toward gravity, it will not only bend over the core of the Earth as it passes over the Earth on the way to a viewer, it will bend toward the SUN!
<NancyL> ZT: As can be seen on the graphic done for the Point of Passage page early in ZetaTalk history, Planet X is coming toward the Sun from BENEATH the Sun, as well as from the side.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, the bending red light, ORANGE, bends both UP and IN predominantly.
<NancyL> ZT: Those rays that encounter Earth's gravity will then bend back toward Earth, from a position both ABOVE the coordinate position, and CLOSER to the Sun.
<NancyL> ZT: This allows visibility earlier in the day for the Red Persona, and due to the tendency of orange light to bend, the Red Persona as a second sun will appear on the horizon as a glow well ahead of the visibility of the corpus itself.
<NancyL> ZT: Will it only be in the dawn that this second sun is identified? Dawn and dusk will be the best times for visibility, and noon the worst, as light pollution is strongest at noon.
<NancyL> ZT: As with all other viewing, this depends immensely on the viewers location, determination, and clear skies.
<NancyL> End ZT on this matter.

[A lesson in light mechanics, none of which follows any known human science, but then human science is basic compared to alien science, although I though ORANGE was both red and yellow, yellow being comprised of both blue and green and the opposite of pure red.]

<NancyL> Q2: Why the sudden hostily from normal 'friendly' people. I have been monitoring the chatrooms, and some are extremly hostile, and relaying messages that you are lying to us, and that PX is not due within the timeframes specified.

[It could be because no one can find the mysterious planet?]
<NancyL> ZT: ZetaTalk has had a tumultuous history, with those embracing it demanding perfection, within the guise of human understanding, and protection, as though the messenger had responsibility for sanctity from the impact of the message, and vicious attacks by those not wanting to HEAR the message in the first place.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, friend and foe are hardly discernible.
<NancyL> ZT: Human astrophysics states that Planet X could not have an orbit such as we have described, a sling orbit PAST two foci, back and forth, rather than round and round.
<NancyL> ZT: Yet Planet X is approaching dead on toward the Sun during the reign of ZetaTalk as the prime messenger, exactly as we have described.
<NancyL> ZT: Human astrophysics also states that the SPEED of Planet X during its rapid approach from the mid-point between its two foci until it enters the solar system just months ahead of the passage is not possible.
<NancyL> ZT: Yet within the reign of ZetaTalk as the prime messenger, this has occurred exactly as we predicted.

[Nope, not yet. Still no planet.]
<NancyL> ZT: As part of the debunking campaign, it was asserted that since Planet X is a brown dwarf, and human astrophysics only applies such a term to gaseous planets many times larger than Jupiter, it would be monstrous when within our solar system.
<NancyL> ZT: Thus primed, many demand that ZetaTalk explain why it is not filling the skies with its size in the weeks before the passage.

[The more pressing question is why it is not filling the tt-astronomers CCD images when Nancy claims it is night time visible?]
<NancyL> ZT: Those embracing ZetaTalk but demanding that the message be rewritten to comply with human astrophysics or human understanding are NOT embracing the message or even thinking clearly or for themselves, they are simply demanding a lack of conflict.
<NancyL> ZT: TELL me what to believe, and reconcile every statement with every other statements, they cry, as they cannot or are unwilling to sort the facts out for themselves, being infantile in this regard.
<NancyL> ZT: Likewise those demanding protection, rescue, are infantile. The one delivering the message frightened them, so is responsible for replacing the fear with comfort.

[Oh I'm scared the suspense is killing me.]
<NancyL> ZT: Here again the human is not taking responsibility for themselves, but is stomping their foot like a child, expecting OTHERS to rush in and act as a parent.
<NancyL> ZT: If the weatherman reports a storm, do they call the weather station and demand delivery from the storm?

[God she loves this statement. I wish I had a dollar for every time she's used it.]
<NancyL> ZT: In fact, this is their first impulse, to utter "What are you going to DO about it!" when bad news is announced, but they have learned by derision to suppress this impulse in human society.
<NancyL> ZT: Their prayers are regularly pleas for improvements in their own lives, demands made of God to fix the dilemma he has placed them in.
<NancyL> ZT: Since we, the Zetas, are presumed powerful, and interactions with aliens not a settled matter in human society, they are trying to what they can get.
<NancyL> ZT: Those who attack the messenger because the message is uncomfortable are in fact making an understandable, though primitive, response.
<NancyL> ZT: The mosquito stings so you slap the mosquito, the apple is sour so you fling it into the bushes, someone reeks of body odor while attempting to kiss you and you give them a shove.
<NancyL> ZT: Push it away, the child's first response to something offending, with no further thought about repercussions.
<NancyL> ZT: Adults, in human society, are supposed to be logical, entertain facts, digest, discuss, and conclude. They most often no none of this, but simply react, as a child, to the offending substance of message, rejecting it.
<NancyL> ZT: These are not leaders of men, as this type of reaction makes them scarcely suitable for any life but swinging from trees, but as Internet access is granted to anyone, they write email and post their simplistic reactions on message board.
<NancyL> ZT: "Go AWAY, you're CRAZY, I don't want to HEAR it", they cry, and when the shift occurrs will be found huddled in some corner making these demands still.
<NancyL> End ZT on this matter.
[A basic attempt to cover what happened the previous week when she was pushed to answer her own faithful and meant to try and calm the situation by her usual over the top embellishments.]


<SteveH> I have been hearing many reports of fuzzy tv reception
<SteveH> even on the radio it's been mentioned
<NancyL> SteveH Q re number viewing and debunking or validly looking and not seeing accepted. +m me please Q3 COMING UP!

[This is interesting. I can find no reference anywhere during the IRC where Steve actually asked this question]
<NancyL> ZT: During the weeks when Planet X was in the evening sky long enough to avoid light pollution, many looked for it in the skies and saw SOMETHING.
<NancyL> ZT: Those educated, who had done their homework and followed the imaging session, noted our words as to what to look for, and oriented themselves in the sky SAW it 68% of the time.
<NancyL> ZT: This also required them to persevere, as it winked in and out, faded and then reappeared, and often the Red Persona was stronger than the White Persona, which positions itself on the coordinates.

[Now why on Earth would a planet some four times our mass wink in and out? Does Mars wink, Saturn or Jupiter? Does any other celestial object come to think of it? They sparkle and twinkle, but wink? This must be some more of that Zeta science I'll bet.]
<NancyL> ZT: For those not seeing it, they were either rushed and could only spend a moment or were looking just past the time when it would be visible, or were in areas not clear of light pollution, being near large cities or the like.
<NancyL> ZT: For those who looked, but were unsure of where to look, had not done their homework or oriented themselves, only about 6 % saw it.
<NancyL> ZT: They were invariably shocked, and the impact greater in these individuals than those who already had been following the imaging.
<NancyL> ZT: The countries affected by sightings are FAR greater in number than the public following sci.astro or message board would even suppose.
<NancyL> ZT: Those viewing it, seeing the punishment that Nancy and the Sighting Team undergo, have talked among themselves but kept their identity secret, NOT on the Internet which they are sure is being monitored.

[Another convenience. Identity unknown. When sci-astro or NASA do it it's a conspiracy, but when Zetatalk does it it's the truth. Go figure. Either way its unsubstantiated clap trap. Stand up and prove it.]
<NancyL> ZT: The number of countries spans every continent, and runs into the dozens.
<NancyL> ZT: The effect of these sightings, and the rumor mills that carry the word like wildfire in the communities affected, and all communities that get WORD of the sightings, is vast.
<NancyL> ZT: The general public begins to look, and will continue to look as the quake uptick become discernable even to those without access to quake statistics.

[They're looking and seeing nothing so far.]
<NancyL> ZT: The weather, the quakes, the increasing illness, the devastated economies world wide, the highly aggressive behavior of the US and Britain to gain control of oil fields, ALL these are far larger signs that something is coming than any denial from official media or government sources.

[These are larger signs of a 12th planet? Surely the 12th planet is a larger sign of a 12th planet? Nancy's just trying to sustain belief with the other coincidences. Yet where are the food shortages, the imploding cities the devastating eruptions and quakes as predicted way back in 1995.]
<NancyL> ZT: In short, the people have come to rely upon THEMSELVES, and to ignore the media and govenment statements, all for the better.
<NancyL> End ZT to SteveH.

[On that she's got it right. They're relying on themselves to look and see there's absolutely nothing there. Nancy's empire is crumbling and not just from the bottom rungs.]


<JosephGoa> i have been looking in indonisia for the pat three weeks and have thought i have seen it a couple times but can't confirm anything
<JosephGoa> but i do live n the biggest city on the island so i have lots of polution
<JosephGoa> light and other
<NancyL> Joseph, when it first winked at me I was unsure, went home to check the charts and out again to look and it was winking again, VERY red, RIGHT where it should be.
<NancyL> And it has moved, dropped, right on schedule, when I was able to look again.
<NancyL> Also saw the two personas in one session, at different times, and found the Red Persona mostly orange light, the White Persona to be very red.

[Now this one is a gem. Originally during the infra red CCD imaging we had a red and white persona, which is impossible as the viewing called for exclusive red filtering, effectively eliminating all but the red wavelengths of light. Yet somehow Nancy's white persona appeared which is all the colors of the visible spectrum including red. So how did the other wavelengths penetrate a red filter? Your guess is as good as mine. Now Nancy claims to have seen this effect with the naked eye. A less sensitive and wholly inaccurate human device which does not filter anything exclusively. She then goes on to say the RED persona was ORANGE and the White persona very RED. So how can one view red as orange and white as red. Red is red and white is white. Orange is red and yellow - blue plus green and red is still red. So how could Nancy tell the red "wink" was the white persona and not the red? You see where I'm going with this. It's all utter elaborated rubbish.]
<NancyL> However, the photos show orange in both personas.

[The camera never lies, or so they say, recording within specific filtered color layers within the negative or transparency. However to obtain a good exposure of a dim object one would need to allow for a time exposure, which would require the camera to move along with the object to obtain a sharp image, or a light streak would be the only reward, or an extremely fast, high speed film to capture what Nancy claims as a mere wink, which would effectively also capture any other heavenly brighter body than the 12th, as almost everything else is supposed to be. (Remember that when examining so called genuine images.) It would however record the genuine article and its approximate color, if color film were to be used, which would show red as red, white as white etc, etc, unless the processing messed up the end result.]
<NancyL> The last time, a couple days ago just before we got heavy cloud cover again, I saw it wink at me even though I could not see Orion's Belt all that clearly and had to peer for it!

[So the 12th planet winked but Orion's belt was fuzzy, which would mean the 12th was brighter than Orion, so why is it winking? Nancy also claims to have viewed the moon swirl which would be of less density than the planet itself, so why is the planet winking? At this distance viewing effectively what would be nothing more than a minute dust cloud the planet itself should be the brightest object in the sky and not somehow miraculously fading in and out of visibility. Still time will tell.]
<NancyL> And got a report from LA that someone there was seeing it, LA! Light polluted LA! So it is getting stronger.

[And all this despite what the Zetas have said about light pollution and visibility. So why can't other mid continent countries, who are looking I might add, also see it?]

<NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #3: OIL the Goal in Iraq
<NancyL> "UNESCO [provided] the USA administration with specific maps, important details and all the necessary information regarding all the museums, archaeological sites, places of historical importance in Iraq. ... Prof Elizabeth C. Stone, the head of the Department of Anthropology of the Stony Brook University is an eminent academic in the field of anthropology ... "
<NancyL> "said that she received assurance from the USA forces, that the Museum will be protected as a matter of utmost importance. ... In very stark and surprising contrast, the live pictures showed, the un-damaged Ministry of Oil , being so well guarded by the USA marines. There is no doubt, where the main priorities of the USA forces, were really focused on. ... "
<NancyL> "It is quite evident that [oil] for USA than the invaluable evidence of our very first civilisations, in Mesopotamia ( meaning in Greek the land between the rivers), a settlement on the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, dating back to 10,000BC. ... The world seems to have lost for ever the whole heritage of the invaluable treasures, carefully excavated from the chief cradle of human civilisation."
<NancyL> "Donald Rumsfeld has refused to accept any responsibility, but he has not explained the stark difference in their priorities in relation to providing protection to places of utmost historical importance and to the building of the Ministry of the [Oil]." PRAVDA.
[So what does Oil have to do with a 12th planet? Ah the faithful would probably say that this is a sign of the times, indicators Nancy is right. Unfortunately Nancy is quoting what was actually being discussed concerning fears before the war and basically what other conspiracy sites have already stated. It is quickly forgotten how she predicted the US and UK would not be allowed to invade Iraq in the first place. Yet what is this interest with human politics and petty squabbles? Surely their higher intelligence is beyond all this? Although we are to take these signs as markers, indicators to the alien existence and coming rogue planet.]
 

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