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“Alright,
this is definetely a cool situation: the "zetas" have said
that I was a smart person. This "smart person" says: Nancy
lieder is a scam.” Jos
Boersema Jos
Boersema (JosX) was another Zeta faithful who ventured to task sci-astro.
Primary instigator of the “Charlene incident”
and responsible for the excuse that led to the “tt-takeover.”
Banned from the tt-groups
and the IRC chats, turning against the groups and demanding Nancy
disassociate herself from them once it dawned he was no longer welcome.
Despite once being a true believer he has subsequently come to realise
Nancy is a fraud. From: josX (joshb@mraha.kitenet.net) Subject: Re: From TT, for your Amusement... [VERY offtopic] Newsgroups: sci.astro Date: 2002-03-06 01:00:31 PST >>>>Josh
wrote: Hey Idon't, what do you think of this: they banned me
from tt-watch, de-opped me in their #troubled_times chat group,
and banned me temporarily in their #zetatalk chat when i asked Nancy to
close down "tt" (including this `non-profit'
bullshit).<<<< >>>Idon't
wrote: I guess i'm finally kicked out as well :)).<<< >Nancy
wrote: The Small Kahuna was not banned.<
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Nancy, being the
"messenger", should just be that: a 'messenger'. Why: - It leaves the people free to chose their own actions. Why: because of freedom, and because this is a great challange, a nice difference from standard boring life and useless carreer hunting. Because the messenger is engaging in activities, this provides a mold for people to follow, or to reject, this is an infraction on their free choices because now they don't have a free moment, but a choice between rejecting or accepting to follow the lead. On rejecting, their actions are skewed towards rejecting, on following, their actions are skewed towards following: there is no freedom. This is very bad, because life is about freedom, and how can one have a genuine/personal experience without it. This being a big experience, inhibiting freedom is a big mistake - It leaves Nancy free to focus on the task at hand: messanging for these zeta aliens (asuming they are real), so less energy is wasted on things that don't have as much effect as information itself. A "messenger" is the only one who can provide us with this information, even if you produced tons of seeds, that is still nothing someone else couldn't do out of free (undirected) choice (undirected: which would make this action his, and not "from the following of the lead", which would steal his actions away from him/her, even if he/she wanted to do them anyway).
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By doing more then
channeling/communicating, you are creating the impression of a Cult, it
is completely irrelevant how much proof you can manage to proof you're
not a Cult, fact is that the only conclusive proof you're not a Cult is
not having one. And you have one: the troubled-times community. This
community is directed by a "board of directors". This is the
same old scheme of things, let people free to do what they want to do.
This "board" and this "posse" are a weight on free
creativity and inhibits true quality to rise to the attention by virtue
of being good/better. Therefore
i say: remove the troubled-times link from your zetatalk homepage,
remove yourself from this board and these projects (which really are not
all that great), and if possible dismember troubled-times. Let the tt-lists
go to unmoderated. Then leave everything to the people, and that
includes the members of troubeld-times, and all those who are horrified
by it (tt), who you don't even see because they remain on a safe
distance from all of this (i presume).
- president
- vice
president
- board
of directors -
officers
-
members of tt-inc who can elect
the board of tt-inc
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posse
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list-members
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contributers to the site with
passive voting-right and of course Nancy, who is in defacto control,
naturally. Doesn't
this feel wrong ?
>Josh
wrote: I guess i'm finally kicked out as well :)). < >>>>>Small
Kahuna wrote: Temporarily, Josh, as you found during the
chat.<<<<<
------From
IRC Chat: >>
(Gerard) Jos: don't start here or you will be banned again ... please >>
(NancyL) Jos, don't worry, I fight this battle well and have for
years. Folks NEED TT. >>
(Jos{banned}) I was banned for quite some time for my opinion from this
chat just now >>
(Jos{banned}) No Nancy, you don't: REMOVE IT!
that
a global catastrophy, such as a pole shift, is possible and that the
Earth and her folklore give evidence of such. PREMISE New
members should bear in mind that the premise of Troubled Times is
that cataclysmic changes are potentially in our future, and that
preparation means assuming the worst of what geological and written
history tell us. The worst case assumptions include:
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Travel nearly impossible -
bridges down; planes, trains and cars irreparable; airports, roads and
tracks damaged. - Communications disrupted with satellites torn out of
the skies and phone lines down and dead in any case with the power grids
down. - Crops difficult or impossible to grow in the gloom, and
domesticated animals starving off. - Volcanic ash and fractures from
massive earthquakes polluting the ground and surface water with lead. -
Existing shelter shattered during the 15 Richter point earthquakes, so
homelessness among the survivors is acute, along with almost continuous
rain during the first few years after the Pole Shift. - Medical and
dental care in the hands of non-professionals with hospitals and clinics
unreachable or unstaffed - Replacement parts unavailable, with the
necessity of survivors having to manufacture every type of chemical or
mechanical part in use. - Traditional food sources being unavailable, so
that there is no choice but to eat what is at hand.
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Now, with such an
unemotional matter under discussion, any proof of which is such a THREAT
to the establishment so that we're hearing about anything BUT the rising
sea level and melting poles and activating volcanoes and utterly
unpredictable weather and that infrared blob at Nancy's coordinates, you
can imagine the tone of discussions.
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We've got tt-watch, which
chatters about speculative topics such as the weather. tt-forum, which
chatters about solutions to the coming changes. tt-social,
which chatters about personal adjustments to the changing times. And the
folks over in tt-forum are conscientiously discussing how to
make windmills out of old car parts and on tt-watch are
discussing the absolutly unprecedented weird weather and the folks on tt-social
are wringing their hands and comforting each other, but along comes.
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Attack-the-Messenger:
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Missing-the-Point:
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Pied-Piper-to-Hell:
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Comfort-Me:
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Along the lines of the
latter, we finally allowed a Group TOPIC where those interested in
forming a group can ADVERTISE, and be the contact,
but Troubled Times makes not guarantees and makes it clear, in
the disclaimer on every
page, that this is NOT a Troubled Times function. So if you're hearing,
ala Hazelwood (who really expected this to be the BIG money making scam)
that group formation is happening, its not happening in Troubled
Times. Below, the Disclaimer:
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DISCLAIMER
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Troubled Times is not
responsible for any negative outcome of group formation, such as broken
hearts, empty wallets, rape, theft, confiscation by the government,
monitoring by the government, harassment, broken promises, lack of
expertise and support, liability due to negligence or crime, or any
other adverse situation that may arise.
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This disclaimer put forth
by Troubled Times also applies to ZetaTalk, which supports Troubled
Times but in no way supports, advocates, or is involved with any given
group that may develop as a result of these group formation
postings<<<<. I
don't exactly see the point to this, but to recap: i asked Cunningham's
leave because he held these lists in the area of "if it's
true" by presenting ""evidence"" and
""arguments"" that it isn't true. Furthermore he is
not subscribing to the "premise" of tt, but has some kind of
special relationship with the 'list-policing/posse/moderators'. My
asking the removal of the posse was then picked up by Jan (and presented
as his own aparently), on which there was a vote-call to the
contributers to the website (...) and the subsequently alteration of the
people who were in the posse (adding Jan and Nancy and some others)
resulted. End recap.
Jos ------o------ From:
josX (joshb@mraha.kitenet.net) Subject:
Nancy = wrong Newsgroups:
sci.astro Date:
2002-10-31 03:48:11 PST Nancy/zetatalk
is most likely all fantasy and wrong, even though they have some
interesting points to argue for, and even if modern science may be
rampant with varies forms of scandals and lies/deceptions. This
will be kind of an hilarious disproving of her pages to anyone buying
into all establishment science, but she has a page saying that
A.Einstein was some kind of a brilliant person. A lot of
"alternative" sites claim this. But it's not true, A.Einstein
wasn't brilliant at all, in fact, he was a fraud. I know this may sound
hilarious. Anyway,
good luck with defeating Nancy, and to Nancy in defeating the
establishment-people, i personally think both groups have their strong
points and their weak points. When
i first came to this group i saw the amount of Nancy bashing, and that
made me immediately jump in to her side, recognizing how people often
treat a person with a good point. Maybe i went too far into believing
her (i did went too far), but at least i would have found out by real
experiments, at least one comforting thought. -- ------o------ From:
josX (joshb@mraha.kitenet.net) Subject:
Re: Planet X: ANALYSIS of Nov 11 Objects Newsgroups:
sci.astro, sci.astro.amateur Date:
2002-11-19 07:36:51 PST zetatalk
<zetatalk@zetatalk.com> wrote: >The
Zetas have routinely allowed the human team members to do their OWN
analysis before stepping in: We allowed the human team members ...
to struggle, as this demonstrated a point. ... What point was to be
proven? That the cat calling on sci.astro, of Zetadrones, is inaccurate,
as drones do not pursue matters independent of their masters. Rather,
NASAdrones is the appropriate term, as those who would have the
public asleep until the last minute on this matter, the NASA lackies on
sci.astro ... are asking the public not to think, not to look, not to
examine, but to accept the conclusions of their NASA masters and
their lackies. ZetaTalk (http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/zeta1.htm)
jos. ------o------
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