“We will actually be right about predicting

the end of the world”

Milly Gumper

 

 

Considered by many to be third in command after Nancy and Jan, Milly is a tt-moderators, and member of the tt-Inc. You will find her lurking somewhere behind both Jan and Nancy, voicing almost word for word what they have already said. She has appeared under numerous guises on sci-astro usually identifiable by the “@webTv” tag. Like many of her zeta hierarchy she has proven herself a manipulative hypocrite and liar.

 

From:  milly@w...

Date:  Fri Oct 22, 1999  3:55 am

Subject: [tt-social] Re: Fw: Zetatalk

<< although it seems like it is all true, there is ALWAYS a chance that it is not. I guess my original statement that I would like to disprove Zetatalk if I could was indicating that there is part of me that desperately wants this whole thing to just "go away" and let me have a nice, normal life. That is all I meant. >>

 

Shucks, I was hoping you were on to something. There's that sinking feeling again. It really is actually going to happen I guess. But then again, maybe not. How weird it will be in spring 2003 to actually have been right all along about this. Maybe that's the hope. No one is ever right about predicting the "end of the world". They are all left looking foolish when the day comes and goes with nothing happening. And we're going to be different? How impossible is that. We will actually be right about predicting the "end of the world"? Can't happen. I hope.

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Milly the liar

(See tt-manipulation, concerning tt-moderation.)

 

Milly the hypocrate

Below Milly directs tt-welcome members to the Prep2003 site, despite Nancy’s previous and very obvious objections to any tt involvement, which came to a head during the “Sol incident” amidst the “Hazlewood saga, when he was viciously attacked by Nancy and the Zeta faithful for doing exactly the same thing. 

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-welcome/message/2587
From:  "mw3172001" <milly@w...>

Date:  Sun May 12, 2002  7:48 pm

Subject:  Re: Earth Changes TV/Breaking News - 120 Million Year Old Ancient Civilization
--- In tt-welcome@y..., Mitch Battros <earthchanges@e...> wrote:

> 120 Million Year Old Ancient Civilization...05/10/02 by Mitch Battros (ECTV) This could be quite the find. If true, I find it really exciting. Scientists of Bashkir State University state they have evidence which suggest ancient civilizations were highly developed. The following is from a April 30th 'Pravda' news release.

Earth Changes TV - 3 month subscription for $9 dollars: Mitch Battros Producer - Earth Changes TV http://www.earthchangestv.com<


The URL for Mitch's "find" is http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html It was posted on other lists 10 days ago (May 1) where he obviously found
it, and now having reviewed it and approved it for our consumption, we can get more of the same by paying $36.00 a year, or $9.00 for 3 months.

 

Think of all the info on http://www.rense.com that is free, and http://www.artbell.com or http://www.greatdreams.com etc. plus all the prep2003 and tt lists where members find articles at their source and post them with URL's for all to read, all free of charge. Think of the many thousands of websites that have been created, free for anyone to read, which cover the earthchanges topic.

 

It is beyond my comprehension why anyone would want to PAY EarthchangesTV for the very same information that is found free everywhere on the internet these days and more current than Mitch's report, 10 days later.

Milly

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All this despite Nancy’s previous objections and Sol’s subsequent removal from the tt-groups.

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/7121
From: Nancy Lieder <zetatalk@z...>

Date:  Sat Nov 10, 2001  1:41 am

Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Who wanted to ban (Re: The Prep list - a ripoff?)

I'll be posting this to all the tt lists shortly. I've decided that by directing the tt-welcome folks to Hazelwoods site, after tt-posse et al banned him, he is in conflict with TT principles and his responsibilites. He also decided, on his own, to moderate rather than ban MCunningham, after the tt-posse had decided to ban him. Rather

<snip>

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As can be plainly seen Milly is shown to be directing tt-welcome members to the prep2003 lists some six months after the “Sol incident,” knowing full well Nancy’s opinion of the Prep2003 groups, therefore in definition “in conflict with tt principles”, but also knowing Nancy does not receive tt-welcome postings effectively “going behind her back,” so to speak, yet has she been removed? Guess its not what you do it’s who you are and the people you know. What’s also interesting is that she was unusually quiet during the “Sol incident”.

 

Another interesting coincidence is that both Milly and Diana, (owner and moderator of the Prep2003 groups) are both remarkably similar in profile, most noticeable with Diana in the @webTv identifier of her earlier postings, their similar fascination in the Princess Diana conspiracy theory, identical cross postings, as Milly on tt and Di on Prep2003, along with their apparent absences while each counterpart is active on the other group.

 

Yahoo! Groups prep2003discuss Messages Message 3911 of 4675


From: "Di" <di@p...>

Date: Tue May 7, 2002 10:58 pm

Subject: Re: Preserving The Facts

I guess it is time that I clarified my views on things for everyone.....<general banter>

When I first got on-line in '97, I literally stumbled onto http://www.spiritweb.org where I became an avid pupil of the metaphysical world and new-age thinking. I had heard of "new age" before, but had catagorized it in my mind as only about astral travel
and meditation, two disciplines I had studied to some extent in my teens and early 20's..............<more banter>


Just over a year after I started this journey of discovery, Princess Diana was murdered. Her death shocked and deeply saddened me, as it did for so many people, and after about a month of mourning her, I left the COL and turned off my computer (for the most part) for about a year. My response to her death still surprises me. Of course, I was
a great admirer although I realized that she had her faults like anyone. It was the awful realization that her death was probably murder that sickened me the most and despite compelling speculation, this has not been proven. The event was just such a shock and a sad confirmation that things are wrong and stinking to high heaven.....................

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From: milly@webtv.net (milly@webtv.net)

Subject: Re: Just remembered s'thing

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.princess-diana

Date: 1997/09/08

On CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC cable channels in the US,  as well as ABC, NBC and CBS (I watched them all), the initial reports were that Diana had a concussion, a broken arm, and a cut on her thigh.  That was repeated over and over, also additional reports that she had  been able to walk from the car to the ambulance by herself.

    
    There then grew to be  some concern that no statement had been made as to her condition -after all, if she was okay, a statement should have been issued.  The same reports were repeated, also more concern expressed that since no statement had been issued, maybe she was more seriously injured than was thought.  Someone issued a statement that she was in "grave" condition, then suddenly, the report of her death.


     So where did the original reports come from?  Was it from the paparazzi trying to put a better face on conditions to save their skin? Or was she given a more fatal wound to the chest by an agent/ assassin on the way to the hospital?   Are there any photographs that have not been confiscated that show Diana standing outside her car after the accident?  Rumors are that there are.

  
 The  concerned but relaxed attitude of the newcasters because of their belief that her injuries were not fatal  really puzzles me.  Where did their information come from?  Surely it had to have some basis.

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Both appeared around 1997, both into Princess Diana, both once using webtv idents, however Di’s is now Abovenetm so I did a little snooping and found:

 

Abovenet Communications, Inc.

50 W. San Fernando St., Suite 1010

San Jose, CA US

 

While Milly on Webtv:

 

WebTV Networks, Inc.

1065 La Avenida

Mountain View, CA US

 

CA is California? Guess that almost makes them neighbours either way. Odd coincidence?

 

Cross postings

Yahoo! Groups tt-watch Messages Message 9918 of 9982

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9918
From: "mw3172001"

Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 6:37 pm

Subject: Zechariah Sitchin Interview

In this interview about the return of Nibiru, Sitchin says the Annunaki visits to Earth and the nearing of Nibiru do not coincide, therefore the 3760 B.C. visit does not mean every 3600 years after that is the return of Nibiru. Also the 3600 year period could vary by a number of years just as Haley's comet orbit varies each time from 74 to 76 years. He's still researching the ancient records to find the time of next approach of Nibiru.

http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/June2002/NIBURU4/niburu4.htm

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Yahoo! Groups prep2003discuss Messages Message 4531 of 4656

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prep2003discuss/message/4531
From: "Di" prep2003discuss

Date: Sat Jun 1, 2002 8:55 am

Subject: Exclusive YOWUSA.COM Interview With Zecharia Sitchin

YOWUSA.COM, June 1, 2002

Steve Russell

The recent release of Zecharia Sitchin's latest book "The Lost Book Of Enki", caused a lot of public interest, as well as some unexpected and unwarranted misinformation concerning our destiny and the return of Nibiru. Consequently, some have predicted that Nibiru will fly through our solar system next year and with catastrophic results for our planet. Is all of this hysteria or fact? We wanted to know so we contacted Zecharia Sitchin with the able help of YOWUSA supporter, Josef Novak. In this article, we'll first we will present our exclusive interview with Zecharia Sitchin in response to a series of written questions submitted to him.

http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/June2002/NIBURU4/niburu4.htm

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Yahoo! Groups tt-watch Messages Message 9742 of 9993

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9742
From: "mw3172001"

Date: Tue May 14, 2002 12:37 pm

Subject: Florida's Hurricane Andrew

This is another incomprehensible (to me) story of our government's actions in the wake of a natural disaster. Roping off a disaster area and not allowing aid to the injured?? It just makes you realize we cannot ever wait and rely on our governments and rescue services but must, always, be ready and willing to look after each other and help each other and seek our own avenues of escape. Don't wait for government entities to tell you what to do and when to do it. They've obviously got a whole other agenda we naive taxpayers can't even begin to understand.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/hurricane.html

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Yahoo! Groups prep2003discuss Messages Message 4047 of 4675

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prep2003discuss/message/4047
From: "Di"

Date: Sun May 12, 2002 4:36 am

Subject: The Hurricane Andrew Cover-up.

Deadly Silences

The Hurricane Andrew Cover-up

The authorities grossly understated the death toll from hurricane Andrew, the worst natural disaster in US history, and left thousands of survivors to die in a zone contaminated by radiation................................................

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/hurricane.html

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Yahoo! Groups tt-watch Messages Message 9670 of 9993

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9670
From: "mw3172001"

Date: Thu May 2, 2002 1:36 am

Subject: Nancy/Zetatalk on tonite on Mysteries of the Mind

Show to be taped 5:00 PM Central until 8:00 PM, Central, then aired immediately afterwards. May 1, 2002 ZetaTalk on Mysteries of the Mind with Alex and Ardeth
Merklinger........................................................

http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/

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Yahoo! Groups prep2003discuss Messages Message 3727 of 4675

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prep2003discuss/message/3727
From: "Di"

Date: Thu May 2, 2002 4:32 am

Subject: Nancy Speaks

Nancy is on http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/ at this moment. Go to the site and listen free - you need the free version of RealPlayer to listen........................................

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Yahoo! Groups tt-watch Messages Message 9866 of 9982

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9866
From: "mw3172001"

Date: Sun May 26, 2002 4:06 am

Subject: Nibiru, Zetatalk and Mission Enterprise

From YOWUSA.COM, May 25,2002 "Zetatalk tells us to worry and Enterprise Mission tells us not to worry. Whom should we believe?"

http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/May2002/NIBURU3/niburu3

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Yahoo! Groups prep2003discuss Messages Message 4351 of 4655

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prep2003discuss/message/4351
From: "Di"

Date: Sat May 25, 2002 8:21 am

Subject: Nibiru, ZetaTalk and Mission Enterprise

ZetaTalk tells us to worry, and Enterprise Mission tells us not to worry. Whom should we believe? This article addresses the key 2003 issues in the context of the planet Nibiru. Next week, we will publish an exclusive interview with Zecharia Sitchin where he will address this issue as well as other important questions regarding his work.
Full article: http://www.yowusa.com/Archive/May2002/NIBURU3/niburu3

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Another interesting discovery came recently when I uncovered a posting made by TT’s moderator Sol who joined the prep2003 group.

 

From:  "Di" <dianne1@h...>

Date: Wed Oct 10, 2001  6:12 pm

Subject: Re: [preparation2003] You are not alone

 

Welcome, Sol!  :o)


I am delighted to have you join us.  We can use all the help we can get!  I am not all that familiar yet with zetatalk and TT, but am in the process of delving into the stack of information there.  I wish I had more time to participate on the TT-social list that I joined a few weeks ago.  There are some wonderful folks over there, and knowing that we are welcome and appreciated means a lot to me, as I'm sure it does to everyone else here.


Please, dive in anytime! :o)

Di

Sol wrote:

Hello friends,

I joined this list yesterday. Some of you may know me, I am one of the moderators of the Troubled Times mailing lists. You'll see in a second why I'm making this little 'confession', but first, I hope everyone understands that whatever opinions I express here are strictly my own. I am not speaking on anyone's behalf, and am acting solely on the decree of my own conscience right now.


It took some long and hard deliberation for me to come out and say this. Eventually I decided that it could be beneficial for the membership here to know that some people on the TT really do appreciate your efforts. I'm attaching a message I posted on the list tt-watch yesterday about your group. I hope you believe me that I wasn't trying to be condescending in that message, nor was it my intent to berate anybody. I just like telling it like it is, and that message is the truth (as I see it, of course.)


I may as well tell you also that there is no consensus on the TT groups about this issue, just as there's likely to be no consensus here about my presense and my message. Some people on the TT probably strongly disagree with me, for a variety of reasons. Plus, as you've already had the opportunity to see for yourselves, Nancy, who is the webmistress of both the Troubled Times and the ZetaTalk site and also the person who brought us the entire ZetaTalk message - has taken a strong dislike to Mark. I can well
understand her, but I'm under no obligation to agree with her on everything.


So I thought it's important to let you guys know at this early stage of your inception, that you can think of the TT as your friends and good neighbors, and not as some narrow-minded competitors out to corner a market. I assure you that many of the TT members, some of them in leadership positions like myself, feel the way I do.


I'd like you to know that what little knowledge and experience I have in these matters - is at your disposal, and I'll be happy to try and answer any questions you may have, about anything.


Best of luck to you all, individually and as a group, and I repeat that I sincerely applaud your efforts. May they bear fruit and become as productive as you hope.


If you don't mind, I'll just hang out here in the meantime, so I can shout from the bleachers if necessary (
J .

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Note Di say’s she only just joined the tt-groups two week previously (tt-social), which would have been Sept 2001. (Also remember that Di’s e-mail used to be artemis2@webtv.net.)

 

From:  artemis2@w

Date:  Wed Mar 3, 1999  12:02 am

Subject:  [tt-social] SECRET SERVICE-May we have a word with you? (True story)


"SECRET SERVICE.

May we have a word with you?" Men In Black visit the Common Conservative by Tom Adkins


The doorbell rang. It was 8:30 AM.


I dragged myself out of bed and took a quick look in the mirror. Butt-naked, hair going in 16 directions. Not pretty. This better not be a client who showed up early. I stuck my head out the window and looked down.

 

 "Hello?"


 A gentleman stepped out of the vestibule and looked up at me. "Hi, are you Tom Adkins?"

"Yeah, can I help you?" I squinted.

 

A second gentleman stepped out. "We're from the Secret Service. Could we talk with you?"


"Really???"

They pulled out their badges. Really.


 "Cool! I'll be right down."


I slipped on my sweats and galloped down the stairs. I opened the door and sure enough, there were two genuine, bona-fide M.I.B.'s. The Men In Black.


"We'd like to talk to you about this article you wrote"   Folks, the Common Conservative has arrived...

 

There are all sorts of ways to get notoriety. You could run down the street wearing a rhinestone jock-strap and a rose between your teeth. You could marry yourself on national television. You could even rape a campaign worker. But you reached the big-time when the Secret Service pays you a visit.

 

For a writer, getting quoted on Rush, Hannity, Liddy and Boortz was cool. I was flattered when the Washington Times accidentally plagiarized me. But when the Secret Service arrives at your front door, you have crossed into that magical land of legitimacy.
    

So I invited them in.


"Tom, are you into guns?"


I didn't think this was a good time to joke about the MX missiles I planned to swap with Saddaam Hussein for some flying carpets. My nature is to simply blurt out the truth, so I told them I just bought my first guns this winter, for home protection. They probably already knew that. But you can't go wrong with full disclosure. Except for Bill Clinton, maybe.

 

I kidded them about playing paintball, but that it reminded me that in real war, you don't stand up and say "Dammit, Rick. Ya shot me right in the ass. I'm gonna go get a beer." Makes you think a little.


"Tom, did you write this article?"


The agent pulled out a copy of my "Snappy Answers to the Stupid State of the Union Address" from last month's issue.


They pointed to the section where I warned Bill Clinton about embracing the Republican plan for school reform, suggesting he wear a "flak jacket" the next time he addresses the teachers union. I figured it was a good metaphor.


"Flak". Get it?


Apparently some left-wing knucklehead didn't get it, hysterically assuming it was a dire threat to the president. As good liberal paranoids always do, they sent it along to the Secret Service Sheesh.

 

By now, it was becoming obvious I was hardly dangerous (except sometimes when I try to microwave pizza). The MIB's got that funny look on their face, like Skully and Mulder get when the bald dude sends them off to another cabbage farm to check on fertilizer sales. I was wondering what these poor guys had done wrong to get this assignment.

Anyway, the conversation was winding down.

 

I decided to test the waters a little.


"How would you like to see my website?"


I brought them into my office and fired up the computer.  

 

"Say.either of you fella's Democrats?"


They cautiously looked at each other. This might be the greatest risk they faced all day.
    

"Uh.no, actually."


A smile crept over my face. A few keystrokes later, and the screen was filled with the glorious front page of the Common Conservative.


I told them winning the hearts and minds of Americans is not done with guns and bombs. This is a war of ideas, fought with words. I showed them the offending article and scrolled around a bit. I also showed them the counter, approaching 500,000 hits.

 

Their eyes were smiling. I gave them the web address and told them to stop by whenever they wanted.


I must admit, they were very nice. No T.V. stereotypes. They were friendly, relaxed, with no attitude. After they left, a paradox dawned upon me.

 

Here are two average guys who have pledged their very lives to protect a man who deserves national derision. A man who has abused, molested and raped women. A man who lied to a grand jury and obstructed justice. A man who has stolen FBI files. A man who fired innocent employees and attacked them with the FBI. A man who has compiled an "enemies list" so extensive the White House needed an illegal computer to keep track of them. A man who uses the IRS, the Justice department and an army of toads to attack those "enemies". A man who sold missile technology to China in exchange for millions in campaign contributions. A man who has subverted the constitution at every turn.


A man whose wife and daughter call these brave and dedicated people "trained pigs".


These agents probably watched Clinton wag his finger at them, knowing he was soiling the Oval Office carpet. They probably watched Alec Baldwin threaten Henry Hyde's family and could do nothing. And here they are, 8:30 on a cold Philadelphia morning, wasting their time talking to someone who writes benign articles on the internet.

 

Funny, since the Secret Service agents visited me, that song "Men In Black" keeps going through my head. I wonder if agents get a kick out of being depicted as intergalactic cowboys, complete with their very own hip-hop theme song? Americans often accept caricatures spawned by Hollywood as reality. Even when the lead actor is the president.

 

But I can't ignore the irony of these dedicated servants chasing down website writers while the most dangerous constitutional threat is sitting in the Oval Office, smoking cigars and banging on bongo drums. And they have to protect him with their lives.


I bet they go home at night seething.


This column is dedicated to the men and women who pledge their lives to faithfully protect our nations leaders, regardless of political considerations. A special personal thanks from me to the gentlemen who stopped by. Their names will remain secret, of course. When you read this, think of them. Tom Adkins

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And this was March 3rd 1999, two years previously on tt-social. Did she somehow forget she was already a member? I checked and can find no input from Di which is odd, don’t you think, else why join the group and especially as she now has a new friend, Sol?

 

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