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“Likewise,
we have allowed NANCY to look foolish, the latest session last Sunday
when she shared her bumbling on asteroids with the public, shamelessly.” Zetatalk Like
all good deity’s Nancy and the Zetas try their hardest not to err, but
unfortunately neither are very successful. As these pages will attempt
to show. Session
Start: Sat Jan 25 13:04:02 2003 Session
Ident: #zetatalk [14:02] <NancyL> IMAGING: [14:02]
1. Can the Zetas tell us why they haven't
verified PX in the images sinec Dec 14? One
of the surest ways for parents to get their children to assume
responsibility, get INVOLVED, is not to be ever present or ever active.
A bit of benign neglect allows a leadership vacumn, and LO, in steps a
child who is tired of waiting, taking up the task! This does mORE than
simply get another to do a task, as once a child starts assuming
responsibility, they start to enjoy it, take pride in the outcome, and
this action CONTINUES. [Pure
elaboration meaning absolutely nothing to excuse their obvious lack of
interaction.] Natural
leaders emerge during distressing times when NO leadership seems
forthcoming. These leaders may in fact be BETTER than the official
leaders, but not wanting to be disruptive, hold back and take support
roles instead of assuming leadership. In a void, this social politeness
is not necessary, and a new leader is born! [Natural
leaders are simply those followed by those of lesser ability out of a
need for guidance and protection. The “new leader is simply ensuring
his role through superior strength, dominance or manipulation, but in
all cases those choosing to remain in control do so to maintain that “control”
through advantage of a desperate situation.] This
is all to say that a parent, or leader, WANTING more involvement from
the community, can ARRANGE this best by NOT being utterly involved,
answering every question, doing every task, but by being ABSENT. [Ah,
the God syndrome. Absence equates as self sufficiency, so why the need
for a God?] Now,
given the imaging on ging during the Fall of 2002 and into the early
weeks of 2003, how does this apply?
The Sighting TEAM is small, consisting of Steve, Pierre, JWilliam
and Naji, in that order joining the TEAM. (Oops, s/h/b/) there Nancy
determines what will go on HER web site, but has been wanting, and
expressing the hope, that MANY web sites would emerge and MANY sources
of images would emerge, for some months. She is, frankly, tired of the
time required on HER part, and the increasing demands for interviews are
only going to increase, which should, in her view, be her PRIMARY role. [So
why waste that precious time on an amateur astronomy site that is
debating nothing?] JWilliam
and Pierre have their OWN web sites, often in opposition to what other
TEAM member state, or in opposition to what Nancy and ourselves state,
and this has NEVER been a problem. [So
this is the massive number of astronomers looking for the 12th?
The many web sites claimed as sources for the imaging material?
Wow.] And
why NOT? From the start of the Fall 2002 viewing season, and even
prior to that if one reads the pages in the Sighting TEAM section, there
has been debate and disagreement. This has NEVER been suppressed,
despite the hope of the debunking crowd that the ZetaCult or ZetaDrone
title would stick. [Four
people talking to themselves. Is this the debate mentioned earlier?
As no one else is allowed to join in on any of the
forums. Pretty exclusive.] We,
the Zetas, have never asked for more than that man be INFORMED, and
THINK, and LOOK, and come to their own individual conclusions. This has
been stated from day one of ZetaTalk, and is immersed in the body of
ZetaTalk, throughout. [But
no one can see the fabled planet? So what is everyone to THINK?] At
the start of the Fall 2002 viewing season, it was the MODE, established
by Nancy who is of a like mind with us, to allow the public to see the
debate among the TEAM members.
We thus had Jan's candidate, Charles candidate, etc and at the end of
several days of debate, our opinion. We held OFF on this opinion to
encourage debate, to collect this debate, and it was not ONLY the final
Zeta statement that went onto the web, but the DEBATE. [There
has been no debate on sc-astro, only the usual rolling around killing
themselves laughing at her outlandish claims. Nancy simply posts and
runs never replying to any comment even those that do occasionally
appear as serious. The only so called debate is that shown on Zetatalk
concerning TEAM banter, hardly a debate.] Why?
Because this is EXACTLY the type of debate that should be on sci.astro,
not endless insults that ZetaTalk is a Nazi or CIA or NASA front, or
whatever, insults and adolescent quips that the public LONG since tired
of to the extent that they no
longer READ sci.astro directly but go to the ZetaTalk website for a
summary of what is WORTH reading! [Again
there have been no debates, so what are the Zetas rabbiting about? Being
all seeing you would have thought they’d have noticed?] This
was, of course, the reason for the press early last summer to have Nancy
put ALL posting for a thread on her web site, an obvious organized
campaign as the email Nancy received on this matter were form letters,
filled in! This is an IMMENSELY important issue, NONE more important, to
mankind at this time. This
is in the SKIES at this time, available to AMATEURS, and should be the
MAIN topic on the sci.astro and related Usenets, not in the grip of paid
debunkers, who seem to number only a dozen or so! [No
one can find it, not even Nancy’s so called “expert” amateur
astronomers and the Zetas have now just contradicted themselves with the
term “and should be the
main topic on the sci-astro….” Should? They’ve just stated further
back that this type of debate is already going on in sci-astro. Short
memory?] Where
is the public in all of this! Where
is the debate! THIS is what we are trying to encourage, and
if our word on just which spot is IT is always quickly forthcoming, then
debate is stiffled! [What
debate are they encouraging? There’s no on sci-astro, none allowed on
TT and questions lead to banning on the IRC.] Thus,
we have increasingly held back, especially since it is evident that the
WHITE Persona is on path with the coordiantes, and the RED Persona is
subject to bending toward whatever side the core of the Earth is, at the
time. Those in the southern hemisphere can figure this out, for THEM,
etc. [White
persona, red? How can there be a white persona when selectively filtered
for red as stated as requirement by the Zetas for imaging PX? Plus why
do none of the other objects in the known universe emit a similar white
persona? Questions the Zetas will not answer.] Likewise,
we have allowed NANCY to look foolish, the latest session last Sunday
when she shared her bumbling on asteroids with the public, shamelessly. [The
Zetas don’t need to allow her she’s doing a good job of that all on
her own. And not for the first time according to the last Zeta
confession over Hale Bopp.] The
TEAM, politely, informed her she was WRONG,
and she will post this to the web site during her day off tomorrow. [Oh
but they didn’t. It was Sarah MC and Michael Cunningham. (see below)
Two of Nancy’s so called paid debunkers.] This
is not the first time we allowed, encouraged, Nancy to stumble, to show
the process, to be egoless in this manner, as this encourages others to
do likewise! [But
Nancy is not egoless. She has claimed and still is claiming Zeta
infallible logic, despite proof to the contrary.] The
teacher who is perfect, insists they are perfect and cannot make a
mistake, creates a suppression in the classroom where students are
afraid to raise their hand. [So
why does Nancy still claim the Zetas are perfect and cannot make
mistakes?] [Nancy’s
reaction has always been to throw insults or a paddy when proven wrong
on specific issues.] Thus,
we expect, and hope, that if MAN is uncertain, and Nancy is imperfect,
that debate will ENSUE, which it should! [But
it isn’t.] End
ZT on this matter, followup? [14:24] ------o------ Returning
to the Zetas statement concerning Nancy’s “bumblings” over
asteroids. There were none in the previous Sunday’s IRC and if the
TEAM informed her it was not on the public forum. They wouldn’t even
admit they’d circled a known asteroid in their own image analysis
claiming it to be PX moons. So much for openness and an obvious
distortion of the facts by Nancy and the Zetas.] Session
Start: Sat Jan 18 10:42:30 2003 Session
Ident: #zetatalk [13:45]
<NancyL> MC has become a ZetaDrone,
identified the White Persona by [I
must point out here that “white persona” is a Zeta phrase and does
not exist anywhere within our fallible human sciences. However this
superior race has yet to explain how a white persona can exist when
exclusively filtering through the heavier red spectrum as required for
the 12th planet imaging, as stated by the Zetas and utilised
by Nancy’s astro-team. {Only red light passes through a red filter all
other wavelengths are excluded, so only the red image of a white object
would show, yet somehow optics when viewing the 12th planet
display a whole new scientific phenomena splitting the image into two, a
“red persona” and the new as yet unfathomable “white persona”.
Also according to Nancy the 12th planet is the only object in
the universe to display this double effect as everything else simply
shows up as a single object on the images.}] [14:25]
* Silk has joined #zetatalk [14:25]
<Silk> Will the Zetas verify the
moving "moon" caught by Steve Havas was really a
"moon"? [14:52]
<Silk> Any comments on James
McCanney's recent statement about ZetaTalk being a NASA front? [14:53]
<Mike-O> McCanney now calls for
the "voluntary removal" of ZetaTalk from the web. Now there's
an open mind for you. [14:54]
<Silk> Yeah, they even imaged a
known asteroid and called it a "moon [14:54]
<NancyL> Just Dec 13, we saw
only pixel indications that a tail was evident, pixel brightness
trailing off from the PX body. [14:54]
<NancyL> Then on Dec 27-28 we
say distinct SPLOTCHES representing tail swirls. [14:55]
<NancyL> Now, on Jan 10th,
we see individual MOONS and can calculate their speed of swirl over the
frames! [14:55]
<jwilliam> Silk: There are a
number of possible asteroids that pass by on the Jan 10 film. You say
the moon swirl is an asteroid. Prove it. [14:55]
<NancyL> The area encompassed
is HUGE compared to a couple weeks ago, etc. [14:55]
<NancyL> So every week,
something new to see! [14:56]
<jwilliam> Silk: I've got more
than one tracking in that area and direction Prove it! [14:56]
<Silk> But you circles a known
asteroid J William Dell [14:56]
<Silk> and so did Havas [14:57]
<jwilliam> Silk: I'm giving you a
challenge to prove your point. Show me the money. [14:57]
<Silk> Your "white
persona" is a hot pixel [14:57]
<mikeaus> Silk: BS.....a
moon was identified and then YOU called it an asteroid [14:58]
<Silk> http://m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/jan10.html [14:58]
<Silk> read it and weep JWD [14:58]
<Silk> It was identified on
Jan 12 [14:58]
<obany> Silk: hush [14:58]
<jwilliam> Silk: How far does an
asteroid travel in 1 hour? [14:58]
<Silk> Mike, the asteroid has
been known sinve 2001 [14:59]
<Silk> I'd have to go back and
check JWD, why? [14:59]
<Silk> The astrometrics are
all on the site [14:59]
<MichaeLCunningham> travel of
an asteriod depends on it's distance Dell. 2001 KS14 orbits within earth
and Mars [14:59]
<jwilliam> Silk: Read my earlier
comments, I may have seen your asteroid on the Jan 10 film. alon side PX
moon swirl. [14:59]
<Silk> You circled the
asteroid Dell [15:00]
<jwilliam> Silk: Prove it. Got
any pictures? [15:00]
<NancyL> Silk, we should
listen to "Saturn is a visible day time object" YOU? [15:00]
<Silk> I didn't say that Nancy [15:00]
<Silk> stop lying [15:00]
<Silk> I said its a naked eye
object at night [15:00]
<Silk> and telescope visible
during the day [15:01]
* Silk was kicked by ChanServ (bye
and return in 2 minuts (obany)) [OBANY
has just booted Silk for no reason, except she is winning her side of
the debate.] [15:03]
<NancyL> I fugired that an
asteroid swarm was going to be the "reason" for the PX
complex. Said so several weeks ago during chat, and right on
scheduled, at the wave of the debunker masters wand, here is it! [15:04]
<NancyL> SILK and MC, having
gotten their marching orders, in unison! NASA drones, so obvious
to note. [15:04]
* Silk2 has joined #zetatalk [15:04]
<Silk2> lol [15:04]
<obany> NancL: they are saying
that's a known asteroid [15:04]
<Mike-O> Silk insists upon
re-returning to a site she doesn't believe in. Quite a give-away, I
would say. I wonder how she's paid? [15:04]
<Silk2> in jokes Mike-O [15:05]
* ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@AC8ABFE7.ipt.aol.com [15:05]
* Silk2 was kicked by ChanServ (bye
(obany)) [Again
Silk is booted but this time has said nothing.] [15:05]
<JurAFK> yeah, just ban
everyone who disagrees obany, that's a very good way to increase
zetatalk's credibility, NOT [15:06]
<obany> JurAFK: that has
nothing to do with it, just don't want to be the session to be disturbed [15:06]
<JurAFK> obany: uhhuh, I hope
YOU believe that, cause noone else does [15:06]
<NancyL> Mike-O, I don't think
she's paid, MC is paid, Silk does it for employer and friends in the
banking/market industries, my guess. [15:06]
<obany> i don't ban everyone [15:07]
<JurAFK> you ban silk all the
time [15:07]
* Silk has joined #zetatalk [15:07]
<Silk> Obany, you're aparnoid
rabbit [15:07]
<JurAFK> for NO GOOD
REASON, and its getting pathetic [15:08]
<Jeremy> obany: I'm one of the
firmest believers in ZT obany, but these summary kickings for no
apparent offence really is silly [15:15]
<NancyL> Well folks, well past
the hour and I tire, going to sign off. [15:16]
<NancyL> Thank you all for
attending and inspiring great ZT. [15:16]
<NancyL> Thanks to our
tireless cops, who struggle to be fair yet effective! [15:18]
<NancyL> Love you all (except
the NASAdrones whom even their mothers don't love)! [15:18]
* NancyL has quit IRC (Leaving) ------o------ So
as you can see “Silk” (Sarah Mc) and Michael Cunningham corrected
Nancy, not her own team. Which makes one wonder what the Zetas are going
on about, especially when concerning their own statements on accuracy. (See
Zetas concerning accuracy.)
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