"My Aunt Maud says the moon is made of green cheese! Must be so, because someone said it! See my point?"

The best way to SEE it (12th planet) in the day

is to be looking at it each night!
Nancy Lieder

Session Ident: #zetatalk

April 5th 2003

<NancyL> "For the past day now,i've been unable to get onto your zetatalk site. It always comes up, network error, unable to request URL from host www.zetatalk.com, connection refused. I get the same message when i try to get on the troubled times site as well. Is there something wrong,or are those sites under some kind of attack?"
<NancyL> "Lately I have been having quite a hard time getting to your website and if I do manage to, I also have a hard time getting to your safe areas or Planet X material. Are you guys having some problems? It is wierd that under one of my screen names I absolutely couldn't get to your website and I could partially use it from another website. I think someone is interfering with my right to free information.

[So much for the all seeing, all knowing Zetas. Nancy didn't even know her site had been hacked.]

<Jeremy32> Nancy: Can the Zetas confirm if Planet X is within the solar system, and can you please not refer to the human distance table
<NancyL> Jeremy, Px was at Uranus distance on 3/17 or so, and we are seeing it now with unaided eye because it is reflecting sunlight, as Uranus does.
<Tau47> is it correct to assume that if you can see Planet X with your eyes then you don't need to use scopes?
<NancyL> Tau47, yes, I saw it last Tuesday, but is was a VERY clear night!
<Tau47> did you see it through the scope also? or i was wonderinf what the reasoning would be to not use the scope
<Endeavour> Uranus is extremely distant, it is barely visable in a 30 inch telescope

<lombo243> Nancy: a cross or a red dot?
<NancyL> Endeavor, but Uranus IS visible ONLY because it is reflecting sunlight, that's the point. PX complex is now reflecting sunlight.

<NancyL> Lombo, it was a red, VERY red dot, as bright as a star.
<NancyL> I was intending to use a binoc, and didn't even get it up as there it was!
<NancyL> I saw this earlier, 20 minutes earlier too, from a different location, so had two sightings, 15-20 minutes apart.

[As bright as a star - VERY red dot? Intending to use binocs but there it was without them? So what about all this squinting, peripheral vision crap? Nancy is contradicting her own previous statements about having to use peripheral vision to spot it. Yet she claims she didn't need optical magnification which can only better the viewing of a faint object.]

<NancyL> ZT: The Sighting TEAM has had a number of surprises over the past 6 months, since the Fall 2002 imaging season began.
[Yes a surprise for them at least, they didn't find planet X as predicted.]
<NancyL> ZT: The first surprise was that TWO personas presented, what was termed a Red and a White.
<NancyL> ZT: This was due to the multiple light spectrums coming from the Planet X complex, more than one in the red spectrum range.
<NancyL> ZT: Where filtering FOR red was done, there are MANY red spectrum waves, and the personas represented two distinct types of waves.
<NancyL> ZT: The White, appearing on target for the coordinates, obviously bend less than the Red, which appeared more changed based on the gravity pull, the distance over the core of the Earth the rays had to travel.

[So when filtering exclusively for red a white persona, comprised of all other wavelengths somehow manages to show itself distinct and separate from the red persona, which is interesting as red filters everything other than the red end of the visible wavelengths.] 
<NancyL> ZT: The second surprise was that the tail wafted out from the corpus as a moving object would have a tail waft, to the side, behind the corpus, or above if the corpus was moving down.
<NancyL> ZT: The third was that the Red Persona during a period of weeks appeared ABOVE the White, due to influences man is unaware of which the light rays had to pass through during that time, on their way to scopes on Earth.

[Here we go again, yet not surprisingly these are influences and sciences that man is unaware of, or at least that's the excuse that her faithful are still buying.]
<NancyL> ZT: This was not apparent until that period had passed, and we declined to clarify WHAT the influences were as it would be far afield from what humans currently understand, a distraction from the issues at hand.

[Of cource Nancy and the Zetas won't explain, as there isn't any to give just more rubbish meant to confuse and stall.]
<NancyL> ZT: The Fourth was that the moon swirls would be far apart from each other, like integral dances, not a singular dance behind the corpus.
<NancyL> ZT: The Fifth was that as the Moons or moon clusters became visible in the images, the corpus seemed to disappear!
<NancyL> ZT: The Sixth was the vast SIZE of the Dust Cloud, which was initially measured as brightness increase from background, but lately runs off the images it is so vast.

[But there's nothing on the images except noise.]
<NancyL> ZT: Now, during the last image session on Mar 23 and 24, the White Persona could not even be detected!

[No because there's no such thing as a white persona. You made it up Nancy.]
<NancyL> ZT: Yet distinct moons are evident all over the image.
<NancyL> ZT: But just when the corpus is disappearing in the haze, a red dot appears to the unaided eye at the coordinates!
<NancyL> ZT: We would suggest that the experience of the Sighting TEAM will have a parallel during the unaided eye viewing by the public over the last few weeks.

[So where are these bright images on CCD now it is naked  eye visible?]
<NancyL> ZT: Back in Sep 21, 2002 when the first images were taken, the White and Red personas were a dot only, and that intermittent on the frames, coming through however on the Summary demonstarting that they registered on all the frames.
<NancyL> ZT: That equates to what is being seen NOW, during the last week of March, at the beginning of the unaided eye sigthings.
<NancyL> ZT: What the unaided eye is seeing is the COMPLEX, as a whole, not the corpus or moon swirls.
<NancyL> ZT: The corpus, the moons, the dust cloud, ALL are reflecting sunlight in addition to reflecting light from the corpus itself, and this combined light is what is reaching the eye.
<NancyL> ZT: Soon, those gazing at the evening sky will find that they discern a tail haze, moving as during the December, 2002 time frame AWAY from the corpus in its motion in the sky.
<NancyL> ZT: The next phenomena that will be observed will be distinct moon swirls in the tail haze, such that separate streams appear to be trailing the corpus.
<NancyL> ZT: It will be at this time that the complex will become visible in the late afternoon, even when Orion's Belt is not yet visible.
<NancyL> ZT: As the complex draws closer, paralleling the experience of the Sighting TEAM, the moon swirls will become less dense, spreading out, but individual moons may be visible in binoculars.
<NancyL> ZT: The complex will take over MORE of the sky, a reddish haze widely around the corpus, but where the intensity of the complex may be decreasing, the SCOPE of the complex in the sky will be much larger, prooving an approaching complex.
<NancyL> ZT: During the last weeks, motion in the sky over a period of time, to the careful observer, can be noticed.
<NancyL> ZT: Motion in the tail, the moon swirls, can also be noticed.
<NancyL> ZT: During the week of rotation stoppage, this motion, due to the closeness of the complex, will appear to writhe.
<NancyL> ZT: The fire dragon of ancient prophecy!

[Ohhhh scary, or it would be if there was something up there for us to see.]
 

<NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #1 Unaided Eye Sightings of PLANET X
<NancyL> "Aldebaran is a bright star with an orange tinge, but what was intermittently visible at the Planet X spot was distinctly red, and much smaller than Aldebaran. It seemed to appear only briefly, but would reappear when I glanced a bit to the side, then fade again. Very red. I had planned to use 7x35 binoculars in this search, but having found that I could see it with the unaided eye, by using the side of the eye technique, will pursue this. FROM

[Wait a minute - side of the eye? Earlier Nancy was claiming "....a red, VERY red dot, as bright as a star." Now it appears and disappears only visible with side of eye viewing, yet she didn't bother with the 7x35's which should have made it far easier to view? The woman doesn't make sence, but then what's new?]

 <NancyL> "I was on #zetatalk tonight for about an hour and there were several people who reported seeing what they thought was Planet X with and without binoculars or telescope. Just like you, they described the location where Aldebaran and the reddish object they saw was in relation to each which fitted where to Planet X is on the charts. It looks like there is a flood of sightings going on! FROM Steve Havas"

[Oh the guy that saw it in 2001 through a telescope that couldn't possibly have viewed such a dim object and which funnily still evades being captured by CCD despite Havas and Dell's attempts to image it now when it is alleged to be daytime visible.]

<NancyL> "Yes, that is exactly my experience (blinking or winking in and out). Thought I was seeing things. FROM Sam, writing from a .GOV site. It seems like since it can't be hidden anymore, I saw it last night. FROM Michel, wirting from Canada."

[So come on everyone do the Nancy - wink at Planet X and it might wink back.]

<NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #2: Alternative Explanations, GALORE
<NancyL> "According to Astronomy Magazine, in May 15th/16th of this year, there is to be a solar eclipse, the article says that the moon will be bathed in a "fiery copper glow". Mercury also blots out a tiny bit of the suns light, and Mars grows bigger and brighter on the way to its best appearance in more than 50,000 years."
<NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #3: Alternative Explanation, but WHERE?
<NancyL> "I suggest you take a look at http://hubblesite.org/news/2003/10. Photos from Hubble - they gave NO co-ordinates, only theories on why and what, plus they have sat on this info and photos for months." Also at Space.COM Hubble Chronicles Mysterious Outburst with Eye-Popping Pictures; 26 March 2003; http://space.com/scienceastronomy/light_echo_030326.html
<NancyL> "Oddly, it isn't hot and eruptive in the manner of a supernova or nova ... V838 Mon did not explosively eject its outer envelope, so it remained cool throughout the event, which was observed from April to December 2002. ... The pictures were publicly released today, but astronomers have been cooing over them for nearly three months."
<NancyL> "The visible structure around V838 Mon grows from 4 to 7 light-years during the sequence [How did this happen in a matter of months?]. ... The star has now been observed with ground-based observatories, too, but researchers still don't know what sort of celestial animal they are dealing with. ... Because of the great distance, the light diminished to the point that the star was visible from Earth only with binoculars or telescopes."

[It never ceases to amaze me how Nancy can take a totally unrelated article and turn it around into some kind of 12th planet conspiracy and every single one of her faithful buy it.]

 <NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #4: New COORDINATES to May 15, 2003
<NancyL> Perhaps just WHERE this exploding star is located is being withheld until the Zetas issue their latest coordinates! Then they can put that star, THERE! RA 4.13262 Dec 11.16319 Apr 07, 2003; RA 4.13113 Dec 10.23674 Apr 16, 2003; RA 4.12964 Dec 08.11571 Apr 21, 2003; RA 4.11437 Dec 03.95347 Apr 30, 2003; RA 4.09581 Dec 02.98217 May 4, 2003; RA 4.07645 Dec 00.77814 May 9, 2003; RA 4.06449 Dec -07.45183 May 15, 2003
<NancyL> SIGNS of the TIMES #5: In the News, MOTHER NATURE
<NancyL> "From an Illinois newspaper: Central Illinois emergency personnel were busy early today
<NancyL> trying to determine what caused reports of a fiery object in the sky just before midnight Wednesday. Reports called in to area police varied. Among callers descriptions: a huge fireball, a bright flash, a greenish streak and a meteor storm."

[So was this the mythical 12th whizzing past ahead of schedule? Perhaps Nancy might try claiming it was after it becomes blatantly obvious that there's nothing up there.]

<NancyL> ZT: We mentioned a week ago when the Iraq invasion started that mechanical difficulties and weather problems would be the first thrust to foil the power and oil grab of those who would dominate the Earth in the Aftertime.
[Ah the Invasion that the Zetas stated they would not allow to happen, despite nancy's patthetic attempts to twist her own words.]
<NancyL> ZT: This was already in process, mechanical problems, but continued with chopper running into each other, crashing, and cruise missiles missing the country such as landing in Iran or Turkey.
[God clever manouver this Zeta/Gremlin stuff. It really stopped Bush and Blair Invading Iraq. Just a pity they neglected to tell the appropriate authorities what they were trying to do.]
<NancyL> ZT: A British plane was shot down by the US, and the extent of mechanical problems was at least double what was reported, most news suppressed.
<NancyL> ZT: A sand storm that was crippling was reported, but the lastest sand storm is being suppressed in the media, with older photos supplanting real news.
[Very good, carry on. You've taken a perfectly normal, natural occurrence and turned it into a Zeta weapon, with no proof to back any of it up.]
<NancyL> ZT: There is, in short, a news blackout, pulling reporters from access and returning to the old ways of announcing ONLY what the power mongers want the public to assume, not the truth.
<NancyL> ZT: We would equate this time to the period during the Space Program when the US shuttles had mechanical problems.
<NancyL> ZT: There were months when either the shuttles themselves, or their launching mechanisms, were found to have cracks, and were under repair.
<NancyL> ZT: We stated during that time that the gloves had come off, a sharp warning to the Bush Administration that they should cease their plans to run nuclear material in to space.
<NancyL> ZT: They did not heed the warning, and when Columbia roared skyward, with an Israeli on board announcing to the world that repression and abuse of the Palestinian people would be overlooked while the elite partied on, it seemed our warnings were empty.
<NancyL> ZT: We stated at that time that enformcing the Council decisions often was timed for maximum effect, a period when success seemed at hand followed by devastation MORE of a lesson than early suppresion of all efforts.
<NancyL> ZT: Our words, in retrospect, are clear when the effect of the Columbia being torn apart are now known.
<NancyL> ZT: The secret mission, carrying information deemed SO secret that transmission from the Space Station to Earth were not done, but the shuttle used as courier.
<NancyL> ZT: All this information, and equipment proving the information correct, spewed across several US states where only a small fraction has been found.
<NancyL> ZT: In addition to NASA living in fear of this information and equipment being found, examined, and the obvious meaning reported to the public BEFORE then can jump in with a hush order, is multiplied by an independent board examining the reasons for the disaster.
<NancyL> ZT: Needless to say, they are not proceeding with the space program, and will not begin to reinstate this before the shift.

[God she loves repeating this one, although it really does appear the Ellite took a lot of notice concerning the Zetas so called "threats."]
<NancyL> ZT: Now, how does that equate to the current situation in Iraq?
[I bet you're going to tell us?]
<NancyL> ZT: They have been warmed, with great clarity, during these chats which are moitored well and reported back to the power mongers, that they will NOT succeed as planned in their takeover of the oil rich region.

[Bush and the CIA must be desperate then, if they're listening to this crap.]
<NancyL> ZT: The orders from the elite at the helm of this power and oil grab care not for mangled bodies of civilians or their own troops, and issued the orders to proceed.
<NancyL> ZT: As with the mechanical failures preventing the shuttles from lofting for several months before the Columbia lofted, mechanical problems and weather are being used to signal the seriousness of the Councils intent.
<NancyL> ZT: This is, as before, being utterly ignored.
[Well that was a waste of valuable time then.]
<NancyL> ZT: To those who wonder IF mechanical problems or sand storms can be arranged by those carrying out the Councils ruling, it is a simple matter akin to a flick of the finger for a human.
<NancyL> ZT: Weather manipulations are easy, as air masses can be heated or cooled, affecting the Jet stream, and this has been done in the past if UFO anals are researched with an educated eye.
<NancyL> ZT: Mechanical problems in equipment relying on satellites, such as cruise missiles are, or relying on magnetic orientation or signals of some sort, are too easy to manipulate, childs play.
<NancyL> ZT: But these difficulties are being interpreted by the arrogant as truly caused by equipment failure and natural weather.
<NancyL> ZT: These same arrogant power and oil mongers are also telling themselves that the Columbia distaster was NOT caused by an administration above themselves, but by some problems with the equipment similar to the O-Ring disaster years previous.
<NancyL> ZT: In short, they are not heeding the warnings of the Council, so stronger measures will shortly be taken.
<NancyL> ZT: These measures will be, like the Columbia disaster, of a magnitude to stop the onslaught of the invasion as though the breath had been taken out of the body.
<NancyL> ZT: All will hold their breath, confused, and this delay will be such that the earth changes already excalating will catch up with the power mongers.

[Ohhhh I'm excited. Stronger measures? What in this lifetime? Or do we have to wait to glimpse the mythical 12th first. And this from a race claiming none-interference. Go figure. Either way there probably more chance of winning the Lotery.]
<NancyL> End ZT on this matter.

<Jeremy32> nancy: How much longer is the Iraq war expected to last? Will it continue right up until the shift in May?
<NancyL> Jeremey, it will drag along, but not like it is at present, I gather.
[Well I'd say the Zetas got that one wrong.]

<dBug> Nancy, why we still can not see px?? What about the 3/26 date?
<NancyL> dBug, what are you talking about? I saw it myself Tuesday evening, twice.

<canBear> Nancy what you described I saw too on Tues and wednesday
<dBug> who in this chat room actuallt saw it...i think its less than 1%...
<NancyL> canBear, I gather than many have.
<NancyL> I've heard from many, in any case.

[Yet earlier Nancy stated the opposite.]

<Tau47> can the zetas comment on what part of the population has now seen Planet X?
<Tau47> i meant that to say without any optical aide
<NancyL> Tau, very few have seen Px with unaided eye, and those with scopes, etc are few.

[So once again she contradicts herself.]

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