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".........MAYBE IT WON'T HAPPEN!"
Nancy Lieder 12th April 2003
Poor Nancy's not having a very good time
lately. Even the faithful are beginning to question the Zeta
predictions. I've chopped a lot of the background chatter so as to get
to the point.
Session Ident: #zetatalk
April 12th 2003
<Icewolf> NancyL: Most of us
would like to know: Why can't we see PlanetX? 99% of us can't
<NancyL> Icewolf, I see it,
but am patient and move my eyes around and then get the red blink, the
orange smudge, etc.
<NancyL> It will NOT
burn your eyes out, nor is it as steady as a star.
<GEX> Nancy why people can't
see Planet X?
<GEX> Why is it not visible at
a day time yet? Not even at night?
<Jeremy32> GEX: I agree PX
can't be at the orbit of Saturn yet since its not daytime visible
<NancyL> If I am combining 7
weeks before passage with the unaided eye, and visible during the day,
in a SINGLE sentence, this can be misinterpreted.
[So now the thing isn't
visible to any of us the fault, of course,
is once again ours. Perhaps Nancy should speak more clearly, although I
thought these were Zetan words, corrected by her, but then she's only
human after all.]
<NancyL> However, I find a
full analysis of what the Zetas have said to divide the two.
<NancyL> Given the VAST amount
of ZT, written on the fly, and the ASTONISHING accuracy of it, nit
picking is not worthy.
[Accuracy? Did I miss
something? A hint please.]
<NancyL> Would you know about 2003 if it were not for ZT?
<Jeremy32> xeres: it can't be
per ZT, otherwise we would see it in daylight!
<NancyL> Would you be looking
in the sky AT the spot, if it were not for ZT?
<NancyL> You'd be mislead by
the elite, confused about the weather, and utterly unprepared until a
couple weeks before hand.
<QueenVee> Nancy: With
all due respect, it appears as though you are dodging the most pressing
question for those who have been following ZetaTalk all these years.
There is a serious discrepancy between ZT and the current visibility of
PX -- and that requires an explanation.
[Now you all remember
QueenVee don't you? (AKA Victoria Ridout.)]
<NancyL> You'd NOT know about
the shift, NOT know about the steps it will take, NOT know about safe
places or what to expect.
[No you'd not have
wasted all this time preparing for a fictitious planet either, or
frittered money away on useless survival equipment and supplies.]
<NancyL> Yet everyone nit picks because out of 7 mentions, there is a
slight confusion in one of them, or some such.
[Confusion? Is Nancy
admitting an error?]
<NancyL> GIVE ME A BREAK! If anyone has doubts, then go have a soak and
leave me alone!
[Ooooooh Nancy's thrown
a wobbly.]
<QueenVee> NancyL: To continue
to dodge this question is being incredibly disrespectful to those who
have been following your work
<NancyL> I'm busy speaking to
those who want to prepare, and who can put together the WHOLE of the
statements, not disect a single sentence taken out of context somewhere.
[But they're preparing
for your mythical 12th planet. The one that's refusing to show itself.
(Perhaps its shy.)
and without which all of this has been a complete and utter waste of time and
money for your followers.]
<QueenVee> NancyL: how
dare you accuse me of that?
<Jeremy32> Nancy, the
visiblity concerns are NOT nit picking. You were very specific in saying
that PX would be visible in the day 7 weeks before passage
<obany> well i kinda
noticed that there are people who where realy serious about this turned
into a denail mood a debunking mood all of the sudden
[So now the faithful are
becoming debunkers too. Is no one safe? I did warn you all.]
<NancyL> Endy, indeed, for
those carping about where it is, etc, and visibility, can you SEE Saturn
naked eye during the day? You can't even see it in the evening naked
eye, need binocs or scope.
]No,
but then the Zetas never said Saturn would be daytime visible in April.
They did however say we would be able to see planet X.]
<Jeremy32> Nancy: There
have been no sightings in the UK yet. Everyone wants to know when the
MASSES will be able to see PX..
<Jeremy32> Remember people have QUIT jobs, and SOLD homes based
on ZT predictions...
<Endy3d> Obany, can you +m and
maybe bring some order here?
<QueenVee> Nancy: ZT clearly
states that PX will be visible in the daytime when saturn is not
<QueenVee> DIRECT QUOTE FROM
ZETATALK: "Planet X is visible when at the orbit of Saturn, by the
unaided eye and during the day, where Saturn is not, for the same
reasons it is visible now."
<obany> there are other
questions to be asked to ....
[Obany want's to change
the subject. I wonder why?]
<QueenVee> obany: they are not
as important as this question
<obany> but right now
it's only i cant see it i can't see it .. why can't i see it
[But then it is all
about the 12th planet arriving Obany. Or did you forget?]
<BrianC> Nancy what is most
importantly on EVERYBODIES mind is WHEN will we be able to see planet X?
<Jeremy32> BrianC: More
specifically when can the MASSES see PX
<NancyL> All further Q's about
why this or that person cannot see it will be ignored, as this has been
addressed.
[Because you can't
answer them.]
<QueenVee> NancyL: and
you are clearly dodging a very straightforward and well researched
question
[You go for it girl.]
<NancyL> Queen, I think
YOU are being incredibily disrespectful. I saw it the last 3 nights in a
row, red light blinking AT the coordiantes and orange smudge at the Red
Persona point.
[You've done it now
Queen. "Off with her head."]
<NancyL> But for 2 weeks since Mar 26 the skies were cloudy.
<Jeremy32> I just want the
truth for all our sakes
[Shit Jeremy you ain't
going to get any.]
<NancyL> Those who are uneasy
because they personally have not seen PX complex yet can go have a beer
and I give a damn. What makes any of you think I care? Go take a pill.
[Wobbly number two. At
this rate she'll be threatening to withdraw like she did on tt.]
<Jeremy32> I think we've
reached a stage where people habe a right to express scepticism
<Jeremy32> I care about people
who have prepared and made major life changes in anticipation of the
pole shift in May
<Jeremy32> Zetapal: A lot of longtime believers are expressing
scepticism which is valid in my opinion, and not really disruption
<NancyL> I gather that
the disinfo tack today is to question everything ZT said :-). The
economy worldwide is in the toilet.
[So how does that relate
to a pole shift and rogue planet?]
<NancyL> For those who have not checked, PX corpus has been
imaged AT the coordinates by Hawaii and the Red Persona where it
logically would be placed by France.
<NancyL> Also, an Australian sighting caught the Red Persona
where France did.
<NancyL> I went out the past 3
nights and can find the White Persona AT the coordiantes, blinking red
as before, and the Red Persona as an orange smudge at the logical place,
same place as France images it and Australia found it.
[Well, guess that
clinches it, overwhelming evidence and Nancy saw it too so it has to be
true.]
<NancyL> Interesting to
ME that the Red Persona as orange, in fact, like the light in the red
spectrum that bends for sunlight rise and setting.
[The red persona is
orange? Well that would make it both red and yellow wouldn't it? Is
there a yellow persona now? "I can sing a rainbow, sing a
rainbow......."
<NancyL> MOST bendable red light spectrum wave.
[Which? Red or yellow?]
<NancyL> Also, the organge
smudge was NOT a dot but was as big as my thumb when I put it up in
front of my fact, my thumb print.
[But she could only see
it in peripheral view. How could she hold her thumb up in front of her
when looking to the side and just what distance did she hold her thumb
from her face. Obviously at arms length the field of view is smaller
than when at close up. Through binoculars the smudge should have been
impressive yet she didn't bother. Go figure.]]
<NancyL> Now, the Team imaged the general area, producing a grid,
of the Taurus 83 spot where the Red Persona has been presenting.
<NancyL> What I discovered is that Taurus 83 and nearby stars are
OCCULTED by something, NOT on the images!
<NancyL> The dust cloud, etc.
<NancyL> But for those who are
nervous and whining that they personally have not seen it or whatever,
you will SOON have all the proof you need.
[Looking forward to it
as there's nothing there. So won't you all look silly.]
<NancyL> I will address JWilliams Q about the personas in the
solar system, how they might behave differently that extra solar system,
etc.
<NancyL> ZT: We mentioned during the last session that the
changing appearance of Planet X and the complex of dust and moon swirls
would parallel, during the close approach, the appearance during the
past few months when it was able to be viewed by amateur scopes and
images by same.
<NancyL> ZT: What do you recall, those of you who followed the
imaging from Sep 21, 2002 to late March, 2003?
<NancyL> ZT: First there was a dot, ON the coordiantes, and
another bent toward the core of the Earth.
<NancyL> ZT: What we are saying is that there were TWO personas
from the start, and this remained true throughout.
<NancyL> ZT: This will remain true until the BULK of the light
coming to your eyes is not traveling a distance, but is flooding the
area.
<NancyL> ZT: The light rays that are coming from the Red Persona
are preceived as RED, by those reporting a red blinking light fading in
and out AT the coordinates.
<NancyL> ZT: The early imaging sessions did not record color, so
it was not known until photos by digitizing cameras, and the human eye,
recorded, what color would be associated with the Red Persona.
[Color? Its a black and
white CCD camera. There is no color except along the wavelength you
filter for. Red filters exclude all other wavelengths other than
the red. No green, no blue, no yellow, no cyan, no white, except that
part which lies within the red bands.]
<NancyL> ZT: The Red Persona was the one we emphasized from the
start, stating this would be LARGER than the White, but not true to the
coordinates, so advised to look around the spot.
[You can't have a white
persona with red filters.]
<NancyL> ZT: During the season when imaging was being done by
amateur scope camera, the Red Persona was evident throughout, but the
White Persona seemed to disappear during the last few weeks before
visibility with the unaided eye.
[Of course it did it
never existed in the first place except for noise on the images.]
<NancyL> ZT: We advised that this was due to deflection and
disbursal of light rays in the close hugging dust cloud, so that the
White Persona was diffuse, where the individual moons or moon clusters
WAS visible in the images.
[Now you see it - now
you don't.]
<NancyL> ZT: The overall brightness, and scope, of the area
proved an inbound complex.
<NancyL> ZT: The Personas should begin to merge, the Red coming
closer to the coordinate spot, as the weeks before the shift pass.
<NancyL> ZT: It will be an irrelevant point, as the SIZE and
brightness of the complex will increase so that the issue of whether it
is the RED object here or the ORANGE mass there will be irrelevant.
<NancyL> ZT: The issue under discussion will be what this means
for mankind.
<NancyL> End ZT on this matter, followup?
[Yet still no image exists
of planet X despite it being naked eye visible yet invisible to powerful
telescopes. Odd that don't you think?]
<QueenVee> NancyL: i
would also appreciate knowing the answer to this question ------> <Tcards>
can the Zetas state whether the 7 week period has started - given that
no-one has reported seeing the complex during the day?
<NancyL> Q's re
distance/speed are answered already links from the Team page http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
<[3j]> NancyL, so how
much more time until PX is seen during the day/early evening? and have
the zetas confirmed any of the picture sightings yet?
<NancyL> 3j, the Zetas
are not saying WHEN it will be visible during the day as there are so
many factors that this will be used by hysterics and debunkers to create
chaos in the chats, etc.
[Yes they did - seven
weeks prior to shift. Nancy is just back peddling and stalling for
time.]
<NancyL> For instance, as some can view it now in the evening,
others find no luck varies by a zillion factors.
<NancyL> It depends, thus.
[Rubbish, Nancy claims
unaided night time viewing, so why can't the imaging team find it and
why can't anyone else see it under similar viewing conditions? Because
there is nothing there.]
<NancyL> OK, it is planned
debunking, and forms patterns. They get their order, and come in enmass,
so it is easy to see the ploy.
<NancyL> Right now, it
is DOUBTS! DOUBTS, MAYBE IT WON'T HAPPEN!
[First sensible thing
you've said.]
<NancyL> So, the answer
remains the SAME. Look where you should, regularly, and one day you will
see it.
[And one day my Prince
will come.]
And Now Iraq
<NancyL> Re Iraq Q's, the only
statement I will make is the same made on email re this: THE FAT LADY
HAS NOT YET SUNG.
[Well that makes a lot
of sense. Answers and translation on a postcard by May 15th please.]
<NancyL> Any Regime change is
being announced by US and Brittain, who still do not have the cities
near Kuwait under control, but are bragging about Bagdad.
<Hubblebub> Nancy,
there are only 2 questions that seem to be important now a few week
prior to the shift. 1) Why does people have so difficult in seeing PX?
and 2) Why did the Coalition take over the oil-fields in iraq despite
zetas said Council of Worlds wont accept this?
<NancyL> Iraq is a
swamp, the troops wading into the swamp, and the Fat Lady has not Sung
yet at all!
[A swamp? I thought Iraq
was in a desert? Unless she's speaking metaphorically that is.]
<NancyL> Hubble, the Zetas did
NOT say the Council would not let them wade into Bagdad or the like,
they said "not succeed as planned" and "breath taken out of the body".
[No they said "would not
be allowed to invade" Nancy just changed the facts a bit.]
Predictions
<NancyL> OK, accepting PSI's Q
re big events in the next 30 days as Q2.
<NancyL> ZT: During many predictions made by ourselves regarding
events to unfold, we have differentiated between geological changes that
CAN be predicted and those in the hands of man.
<NancyL> ZT: Geological changes are likewise divided, by
ourselves, into those we CAN speak about and those we are not allowed to
address.
<NancyL> ZT: We are not allowed, for instance, to predict what
city will be affected by a quake, on what date.
<NancyL> ZT: We are not allowed to relay our awareness of what
volcanoe might erupt, within the next few days.
<NancyL> ZT: We can only relay general earth changes to occur, or
would be set packing by the Council of Worlds, as this Earth is man's
school house and such predictions interfer with the nature of this
schoolhouse.
[Which means "I'm
actually not going to tell you anything except a load of garbage that
makes no sense whatsoever, or repeat most of the stuff I've already
said, but no predictions really, well at least none that'll prove to be
accurate".]
<NancyL> ZT: Those
issues in the hands of man encompass false reports in the media, such as
failing to report increases in quakes, weather irregularities, exploding
factories, and rising seas.
<NancyL> ZT: The economy fails, NO good news, but chirping is
done on the news about various predictions that all WILL be well soon.
<NancyL> ZT: If the reality is withheld from the public, and what
is reported counters our predictions, then THIS is an issue in the hands
of man.
<NancyL> ZT: The hands
of man also control whether nuclear power plants will be shut down,
whether bridges will be blown up to prevent cities from excaping into
the countryside, and whether martial law will be imposed in this or that
country.
<NancyL> ZT: These issues could change in a HEARTBEAT, and is
always in the hands of man.
[Right
so here goes - finally the predictions.]
<NancyL> ZT: That said, what is likely to unfold over the weeks
before rotation stops, that has not already been addressed by ZetaTalk.
<NancyL> ZT: We will divide this into two sections, those NOT in
the hands of man, and those IN the hands of man.
[Now remember two
sections. 1.) Not in hands of man 2.) Hands of man.]
<NancyL> ZT: What astonishes those who have been following
ZetaTalk is that a pole shift of the ferocity we have described will
affect the Earth in a short time, but the Earth seems to be trucking
along as usual today.
<NancyL> ZT: This is of course not true, as the slowing rotation
has already been noted as several leap seconds per day, by those doing
careful clocking, and the weather is wildly out of step with what it
should be.
<NancyL> ZT: Temperature swings during the seasons are SO wide,
world wide, and erratic, that sowing and reaping crops is something that
farmers have come to view as a gamble.
<NancyL> ZT: Yet, no explanation for this, and not treatment of
this in the news.
<NancyL> ZT: For those wondering WHY the Earth is not shuttering
with quakes, the oceans washing over land, some weeks before a major
pole shift, we would suggest this practice.
<NancyL> ZT: Consider that your planets pass by each other, in
their orbits, PASS each other at closer proximity than the Planet X is
today to Earth, with no measureable effects.
<NancyL> ZT: Do you notice it coming, or going? You may be
informed that this is the state, the planets lining up or some such, but
the man on the street does not notice as there is NO effect!
<NancyL> ZT: The silly prediction made for May 5, 2000 that
planets lining up in a row would cause all manner of effect on Earth,
which we discounted as a false worry, correctly, did NOT cause any
notice on Mother Earth whatsoever!
<NancyL> ZT: So why should the approaching Planet X cause the
catastrophies some demand should be occurring if it is to cause a pole
shift soon?
<NancyL> ZT: Planet X is causing effects in the slowing rotation,
the magnetic diffusion and the weather irregularities ONLY because it is
a large magnet, where the other planets are not.
<NancyL> ZT: Mercury is magnetic, but is closer to the Sun, which
dominates the field with its magnetic field, so is negated.
<NancyL> ZT: It is the influence on the Earth's core, which
allows Planet X to affect the Earth.
<NancyL> ZT: After pondering that the passing planets in orbit
round and round the Sun do NOT affect each other during passage, do this
practice.
<NancyL> ZT: Nail a small magnet on the table top, so that it can
turn freely, the nail in the center.
<NancyL> ZT: Line a second magnet, larger, up with the smaller,
so that both North Poles point in the same direction.
<NancyL> ZT: Push the larger magnet toward the smaller, North
Pole to South Pole, but with a very slight offset so the larger can pass
the smaller.
<NancyL> ZT: Note that the smaller does not notice, or seem to
notice, the larger until a POINT of passage when it will suddently
overcome the friction of the table top, and turn WITH the larger.
<NancyL> ZT: THIS is what we are referring to when we report that
until the week or rotation stoppage, there will be little effect on
Earth that can be called dramatic.
[Wow a science lesson
about magnets, but where's the predictions? Hang on there's more.....]
<NancyL> ZT: The quakes will continue to be lineal as an
increase, the weather will continue to be more erratic, on a lineal
scale, and the slowing rotation will be gradual so that not an hour a
day will be lost except for the last day before rotation stops.
[Ok nothing new
there same ol' same ol'.]
<NancyL> ZT: Thus, for those looking for trumpets from heaven,
announcements loudly made, earth changes that are SURE, they will not
come.
[Is that it? Wow
just how much space do you need to fill out one paragraph? Perhaps we'll
have better luck with "Hands of man."]
<NancyL> ZT: As regards matters in the hands of man, they
continue to be something we cannot accurately predict, BECAUSE they are
in the hands of man.
[What a cop out.
Why didn't the Zetas say that straight out rather than keep everyone
waiting till the end. What drama queens. if they exist at all. Although
I think Nancy is learning not to stick her neck out too far, especially
with the shortening time frame. Guess that means nothing will happen
over the next 30 days then, although I hardly expected anything
different.]
<NancyL> End ZT on this matter,
------o------
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