"It would appear that the following pic

on the ZetaTalk site

is a debunker hoax."

"Surely Nancy could ask the zetas to

comment on authenticity before

alleged pics are posted"

QueenVee (AKA Victoria Ridout)

From: "queenvee59" <queenvee59@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:47 am
Subject: Hoaxer Confesses to Faking PX Pic on ZetaTalk


It would appear that the following pic on the ZetaTalk site is a debunker hoax: http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy23.htm

In the current atmosphere where ALL and ANY sighting and pic claims  are indiscriminately accepted as "proof" of Planet-X, the hoaxers are having a field day. Isn't it time that some kind of evaluation criteria be applied to such claims?
 

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Portions of #zetatalk channel log for Tuesday, April 15th, 2003

[20:40] <[3j]> hey
[20:40] <[3j]> nancy doesnt seem to ask the zetas to verify the  pictures....
[20:44] <[3j]> i made a fake picture
[20:44] <[3j]> and sent it in
[20:44] <[3j]> and it's posted on zetatalk.com
[20:44] <|Malakai|> url?
[20:44] <SNITT> 3J which one?
[20:44] <[3j]> one sec i'll get the url
[20:44] <Himitsu> okay, secret is out now, [3j] is who I was talking about earlier
[20:45] <[3j]> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy23.htm
[20:45] <[3j]> first one
[20:45] <[3j]> this was about a week ago Zetapal
[20:45] <Himitsu> somebody get cnote back here, he needs to know 3j did it
[20:46] <[3j]> it just goes to show...
[20:46] <no12> 3j is it the red one or the white blob?
[20:46] <[3j]> top one
[20:46] <[3j]> you guys should all try it
[20:47] <no12> <no12> lol im going to make a picture of PX ..... its going to be a red circle with a red smiley face in the middle ...... the title will be PREDDY PICDUR FUR NANCY!
[20:47] <[3j]> sure I thought they were all fakes too, so i thought,
hmmm maybe i could send a fake one in too
[20:47] <SNITT> 3J a debunker???
[20:47] <[3j]> could send one
[20:47] <TensaiSak> I think someone should do a subliminal pic, like if you turn down the contrast real low
[20:48] <Himitsu> it isn't like it took a rocket scientist to figure out that they are fake
[20:51] <[3j]> 1. use any paint program
[20:51] <[3j]> 2. use the paint bucket, drop black
[20:51] <[3j]> 3. use a paintbrush, color yellow 1 pixel size, click a few dots for some 'dim' stars
[20:51] <ParasiteV> lol
[20:51] <[3j]> 4. repeat #3 with blue and white, but don't overdo it!
[20:51] <[3j]> 5. next, use a paintbrush, pixel size 2, color red, click once or twice for those 'bright' stars
[20:51] <[3j]> 6. finally, use an airbrush, dark red, spray it a little around where PX 'should' be at
[20:51] <[3j]> 7. send it in or post it on some site, let PX believers know about it
[20:52] <[3j]> everyone can now do the same
[20:52] <Rev_Quj> i'd use a program called "universe"....

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From: "jakaby2002" <jakaby@m...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:37 am
Subject: Re: Hoaxer Confesses to Faking PX Pic on ZetaTalk

Greetings;

1) On what basis can we determine hoax from legitimate image? Unless the image manipulation is very badly done, or the perpetrator announces, it remains debateable. If there are any proposals that are workable within the framework of the internet, I would like to hear of them.

2) I suppose there are some who fake images for a thrill, and some who fake them and then announce them as fake to cast doubt on the legitimate ones.

Posting all possibles contributed is about the only way to handle it. Posting does not indicate "proof" , it indicates contribution. We have enough people out there with skills, that over time each image will be reviewed and commented on. On this basis, all will come to their own conclusions.

3) The Zeta proofs of authenticity will be in the reality of PX showing up in person and not in the images. Asking the Zeta to comment on each image submitted wouldn't show us assuming much self-responsibility or initiative in sorting things out. They have indicated when the eyeball-able object will appear and pass, and do not need to enter an imaging debate on specific pictures. In any case, an element of doubt remains.

4) The internet is and remains Caveat Lector, that is the nature of the beast; to repeat an earlier comment;

Discernment is required by everyone as we move into this last month. Much information and disinformation is flowing. Each one must come to their own truth, alone, in this time, and only during the last half of May will the certainty be known.

Kindest Regards
J.William Dell

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From: "queenvee59" <queenvee59@h...>
Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: Suggested Methods of Determining PX Image Authenticity

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "jakaby2002" <jakaby@m...> wrote:

On what basis can we determine hoax from legitimate image?<<

Well, apart from having the images professionally analyzed for authenticity (which is a pretty straightforward matter),how about this:

Remember the "Norlock" PX photos that were floated last year? (see
http://www.detailshere.com/norlock.htm). The zetas were asked whether they were authentic. The zetas replied as follows:

"The Norlock claim is obvious. It appears, on its face, to substantiate ZetaTalk, and should Nancy claim it, she would have egg on her face. Expected to be too bloody from the beating to notice, she was expected to embrace it, which she did not. Thus, this so-called-friend came cloaked poorly, and did not succeed." (see http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t147.htm)

Surely Nancy could ask the zetas to comment on authenticity before alleged pics are posted, and surely they would do so (as they have in the past)?

Just a suggestion.

Best,
QueenVee

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Tut, tut, didn't you know? The Zetas are Nancy. So their mistakes are her mistakes, besides she's hardly likely to put herself and her aliens on the spot to verify what is at best a 50/50 guess. So as well as playing "wink" with the 12th you can now play "spot the fake" on her website. Highly entertaining I'm sure.

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