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"I plan on posting an explanation
for the White Lie by the Zetas as soon as the
Earth changes are evident enough to be unquestioned."
Nancy Lieder/Zetatalk
.... and here is the
excuse.
21st of may and no
rotational stoppage, surprise, surprise. Nancy has disappeared from the
IRC claiming debunker victory as her preferred reason of absence,
disciples are running around with their tales on fire, jumping ship or
clamping down on the confused and questioning membership, with Nancy no
where to be seen. However she has stated she will post to the TT groups
(TT-Watch) any updates as necessary.
From:
DAVID STORØY <dstoroey@o...>
Date:
Thu May 22, 2003 2:57 am
Subject:
Email(2) from Nancy Lieder Wed 21,2003
http://www.shift2003.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=88
Email (2) from Nancy Lieder, Wednesday, May 21, 2003:
We are noticing here a slowdown of
50 min at sunset yesterday, 30 min at sunrise,
only 15 min at noon, but now the setting sun is much HIGHER than
yesterday same time by may careful markers. Europe is east of the
Atlantic Rift, and we are much west.
Apparently, as the Atlantic Rift pulls TOWARD Px
rotation speeds up. Then as it is leaving (affecting us in US),
it gets slowed
and pulled back. However, there is a net loss in momentum, and the Zetas
have told me that something else goes on under
the Rift in the slushy magma there, iron
particles line up with the big magnet approaching, making it every more
attractive on the NEXT go round to be gripped.
I plan on posting an explanation for the White Lie by the Zetas as soon
as the Earth changes are evident enough to be
unquestioned. Given that tens of millions of
people in cities will be trapped by the US going to Code Red, which
they are staged to DO (went to Code Orange for no reason, only that
terrorism abroad was reason enough), they can
order folks to remain in their homes, and
certainly in their cities!
------o------
[What a crock of shit,
(excuse my French.) This is exactly what everyone was predicting. The
old "white lie" trick used for Hale Bopp fiasco. "Nancy is allowed to stumble"
crap.]
From:
"gtrobaugh" <samsara2003@e...>
Date:
Thu May 22, 2003 9:28 am
Subject:
True agenda revealed - My conjecture
Conjecture: 12th planet approach an
invention by the new MJ-12 & the Zeta
I think we can all be reasonably certain at this point that there is no
planet at the coordinates provided by the Zeta. So is it all just a hoax
then? I highly doubt it. The validity of Zeta channel is without
question in so many different areas and correlating so well with reality
that I believe it to be certain that we are dealing with a positively
oriented group. So what happens now that there is no planet where they
say there is, yet we know it's a valid channel and we know the weather
changes are real. An apparent paradox that has caused many, myself
included, to become completely perplexed. Well, I have a sort of knack
for being able to think "outside the box" and here is what I think.
Let's start with two very reasonable premises:
1. Zetatalk is a valid channel by ET's of positive polarity. 2. They are
bound by agreements and treaties both cosmic and terrestrial NOT to
reveal the coordinates of the incoming 12th planet. Why would this be? -
because providing real coordinates would violate the element of doubt,
as it would be easily identifiable on the images.
So if YOU were a Zeta and wanted to warn the world population of an
incoming planet yet were bound by these conditions, what would you do?
You could either come out and admit that you cannot reveal the
coordinates for the real reasons or you would have to invent a
fictitious approach and convince the readership of it. The Zeta deciding
that this would not be convincing enough and not able to give exact
coordinates had to resort to a ploy to convince the population of a real
approach. But The Zeta needed help convincing not just the zetatalk
readership, but most importantly to convince
NANCY so they enlisted help by calling upon allied sources within the
new MJ-12 to help out. So in come MJ-12 employees J. William, Havas, and
Naji. The new MJ-12 in collaboration with the Zeta also assisted in
emailing Nancy from various places around the world to create the
illusion that this planet was in fact being spotted. Sources who helped
substantiate the fact that there was something coming in - again - to
convince Nancy and the populace that there was good reason to prepare,
which there IS. Didn't you ever wonder WHY more astronomers didn't pick
up on the images? It was BECAUSE the imaging was deliberately bogus. Why
would Nancy be kept in the dark? Because the front person needs to be
convincing and is MOST convincing if she believes what she is saying!
What I am saying is that the ENTIRE approach of the 12th planet within
the eight-year testimony of Zetatalk was INVENTED! The coordinates are
not of the REAL 12th planet now quickly coming in from somewhere else.
[Oh so to be convincing you
destroy her credibility by making up fictitious dates then admitting
they were white lies? Seems to me it would have the opposite effect and
indeed has as strong believers now desert the sinking ship.]
But if this is the case, than how did Nancy HERSELF see it if it really
wasn't at those coordinates? Three possibilities, all plausible:
[Could it be she
lied? Of course not that inconceivable.]
1. The Zetas were able to create the illusion of it being there by
artificial means when Nancy was looking or able to instill the belief
Nancy had seen it in her own mind via artificial means.
2. Nancy did NOT see it, but upon private
consultation with the Zeta,
the Zeta urged her to go ahead and say that she did anyway as it
would be disruptive to the message.
[Now he's putting
words and ideas in Nancy's mouth and head. How much do you want to bet
she uses some of this in her excuse?]
3. Nancy was able to convince herself that she
saw it even though she
did not.
Remember all the wild claims of seeing the 12th throughout the month of
March & April? Most seemed spurious and unconvincing and came from
anyone and everyone EXCEPT those such as myself, Jeremy, Queenvee, and
the other honest and dedicated folks who were truly looking for it.
"From my surf of the internet it would appear we are getting more and
more reported sightings. Some from South America and middle of USA. I
have also had some at chat indicate they are seeing anomalies at
coordinates." -JWilliam (Mj-12)
"Fantastic! Unbelievable! Heavenly! We see the same red object in
Cordoba (Argentine) below the Aldebaran star! Man! This is Huge! And is
already scaring my whole family here! Now I realize why we are at war!"
"Got a great look at our target last night with the 10" scope. The
clouds and rain were very cooperative with holes in clouds opening up in
just the right spots. Last night it did have a tail."
The VAST majority of the claims coming in during the March and April
time frame were not coming from real people - but rather from MJ-12
employees who were cooperating with the Zeta, unbeknownst to Nancy! This
was to further substantiate the idea in Nancy's mind & the public that
there was reason to prepare, which there is.
[And you know
this for sure how exactly?]
No wonder many of us who truly did look for it couldn't't find it. :) J
William Dell, Steve Havas, and Naji work for the new MJ-12 and are
cooperating with STO Zetas. The plan was to have the zeta give the wrong
coordinates from the beginning. Not to mislead the population, but
because giving the REAL coordinates would have violated the element of
doubt. From the beginning, the Zeta had to create the illusion that the
12th planet (which is, in fact there, just far enough away from those
coordinates not to be noticed by those looking in that vicinity). This
is also, likely, part of the reason that Zeta wanted to give the
impression that it was going to get daytime visible 7 weeks out.
[But Steve Havas
saw it in 2001, was that a Zeta illusion too. Bet that's his excuse
now.]
Hazelwood and Mccaney, in this respect, are only half-right. They see
the Zeta coordinates and CCD imaging as invalid (which they always HAVE
been) and thus consider the entire Zetatalk work a NASA con-job, which
it is not - it is a genuine channel in cooperation with a STO faction of
MJ-12 that is providing truthful information in a round-about way, for
the reasons outlined in this conjecture. The zeta message is true,
except when it comes to various specifics about the approach, location,
and timeframe of the 12ht's passage through the planetary zone.
[Of course it's
all true, if you are stupid enough to believe it.]
Now, as the time approached it became more and more difficult for the
Zeta & MJ-12 to convince the population as well as Nancy (who is in the
dark on all of this, as she is the front person who must seem convincing
to the population) that there was a planet AT the given false
coordinates. Then there's the infamous KID-A pic . On the surface, this
whole affair may have seemed like just some clown looking for attention
or a debunker looking to create a fake. It was neither of these. The
faked KID-A pic was created by the same hand of STO faction of MJ-12 and
was COOPERATING with the Zeta, unbeknownst to Nancy!
This pic had two purposes:
1. The plan was to present a picture that Nancy would accept then later
admit it a fake – placating the STS faction of the elite. This was
carried carried out.
2. To AT THE SAME TIME use as convincing evidence of a planet at this
location for those who might still be on board. Placating the STO crowd
anxiously looking for data to help get them through their denial and
make preparations. It served BOTH purposes. The admission of it being a
fake only came weeks later. Yet this was NEVER acknowledged by either
Nancy OR the Zeta. Even the Zeta stated on May 18th chat (http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cmay1803.htm)
"ZT: Thus, such slips as allowing a SOHO to reel to the public, actually
showing Planet X as it appeared in the NC Double Helix photo, were not
by design by oversight."
This alludes to the fact that they considered the NC photo to be legit
when it is not - a contradiction that is explainable only by this
theory.
In fact, every single pic that has been taken of the 12th planet - both
on CCD's and visual images is fake and just such an invention. A genuine
image of the real incoming planet would NEVER be allowed in public
distribution nor would the Zetas be allowed to assist in making such a
public distribution possible – The Zeta were of course NOT able to
discuss this.
[So you admit the
tt-astronomy team CCD images were fake too, nice one, although I doubt J
William and Steve Havas will agree.]
Now the final end-game is now going to be played out. Exactly what that
end-game is going to be, we cannot know exactly - but if this conjecture
is correct then this is what may be what is about to occur:
The day of May 27th will come and go without incident and the true STS
debunkers will stand up and cheer thinking the world safe. Perhaps the
Zeta will come out and announce the REAL date ONLY when credibility of
it's channel is down – in order to maximize the level of obfuscation to
placate the council's rules. Nancy will be told by the Zeta to keep
quiet and not to say anything just yet. It could be believed that it
would be against the rules (due to both cosmic and terrestrial
agreements) for the Zeta to have given humanity the very date of the
poleshift. The real date has not been announced.
The purpose of Zetatalk has been:
To inform the populace to the degree that does not violate the law of
confusion nor infringe on any cosmic or terrestrial treaty TRUE
information regarding the Hybrid program, Earth transformation,
Poleshift, and the awakening.
Within the limited confines of this arrangement, the Zeta were forced to
engage in a great deal of deception, considering the ends justifying the
means in this case. The exact date of the poleshift and the visibility
of the 12th planet was HIGHLY, HIGHLY restricted and the information
disseminated had to fall through many layers of disinformation without
misleading the population.
[Yea lying
toe-rags is how I see them too.]
Creating the illusion of an approaching planet is not at all easy and a
double edged sword. On the plus-side it gives those in control of the
illusion ability to be in control. They can dictate its motion and limit
its visibility. On the minus side, the ploy becomes increasingly obvious
as the approach nears.
If you doubt this conjecture, then SHOW me WHERE the 12th planet is in
the sky. It's JUST NOT THERE! This is even MORE apparent in the
statements the Zeta themselves make about the noon sun and 2nd sun
appearing ON SCHEDULE - NONE of which have been shown to be legit and
all camera artifacts of somekind or another. This isn't to say that
everyone who has claimed to see it or posted a pic works for MJ-12
(quite the contrary). Yet many of the new Mj-12 employee's such as JWD
or HAVAS (who are on the good side with the Zeta) keep trying to
convince Nancy and the readership that it is, as they have been
instructed to keep the illusion of the approach believable as long as
possible until the 27th.
[So JW Dell and
Havas are MJ12, wow this is good.]
So what now? What happens on the 27th if this approach has just been an
illusion? Where is the REAL 12th planet (not the invented one) and WHEN
is it going to arrive. Based on all the spiritual indicators that we are
being given, soon. Very soon. And despite the roundabout way of getting
the message to us, the Zeta succeeded and those who listened will be
better prepared for the times that lie ahead.
This is my take on this issue. Only time will tell what will
materialize.
Visit the LATEST EMAILS from Nancy Lieder & the Zetas to see where this
great escapade goes next!
Love & light,
Samsara
samsara2003@h...
http://www.samsara2003.com
-----o-----
I have heard some shit in my
time but this has got to go in the top ten ranking turds of all time.
But I bet Nancy can beat it hands down.
From:
"Jan" <anybody@a...>
Date:
Thu May 22, 2003 1:12 pm
Subject:
Re: [tt-watch] True agenda revealed - My
conjecture
Samsamara wrote:
But The Zeta needed help convincing not just the zetatalk readership,
but most importantly to convince NANCY so they enlisted help by calling
upon allied sources within the new MJ-12 to help out. So in come MJ-12
employees J. William, Havas, and Naji.
I
highly doubt this. I believe they have been duped, just as Nancy. After
the analysis of the first images, when I realized that my Planet X
candidate only appeared on one image and was a hot pixel, I was given an
incorrect answer that it was indeed a valid image of Planet X.
Since everybody on the team have been new to astrophoto and image
stacking, analysis etc., I believe they were convinced by the Zeta
confirmations. I did however note some more doubts from the team as time
passed and imaging did not become any more convincing. Btw, I noted
today on sci.astro that J.William Dell made an official apology, which
he ends:
"Many have taken positions in this
debate, and tempers were raised at times.
To those I have offended, I sincerely apologize. And from this
experience, emerge a wiser man."
<snip>
> What I am saying is that the
ENTIRE approach of the 12th planet within the eight-year testimony of
Zetatalk was INVENTED! The coordinates are not of the REAL 12th planet
now quickly coming in from somewhere else.<
Which I believe is exactly what James
McCanney has claimed.
Where we do agree, is that this may not be over yet. There are parts of
the ZetaTalk information that can't just be dismissed even if the
prediction for the pole shift has shown to be incorrect.
However, as the ZetaTalk credibility is now down the drain, there is no
point is continuing any debate on any such issues.
[Still dictating I see, but not looking so good anymore. You see no
point in debate so why should anyone else? So it's still all about you.
Even now in defeat you're still trying to call the shots. In, out back
on the road, wham bam thank you mam. Didn't quit your job or give up
your lifestile either, did you Jan? Life must still be looking pretty
good from where you're sat?]
I think we all now should return to
our normal day-to-day activities. If indeed Planet X should be
approaching from somewhere else, then I believe that
- the amateur astronomers will find it and image it, and that we will
recognize the signs of a pole shift, should it occur at anypoint in the
future.
Regards,
Jan
[You know the only good
thing to come out of this is that you'll hopefully disappear for good.]
------o-----
And remember Jan Rypdal "was" one of Nancy's strongest advocates.
Way to go Jan.
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