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"...we've always allowed a great deal of argument and discussions, pros and cons to go on, encouraged it, the whole Troubled Time mailing list group is one..." Nancy Lieder
A few bloopers (probably more white lies) from Nancy's recent radio interview with Lou Gentile.
White Lie "It was a deliberate "white lie" to show you what the US government and other governments, such as the US government, who planned to impose martial law and actually rid themselves of a lot of number of unwanted citizens, would do." Ok so let's examine the logic of this "white lie" scenario a little closer. "Going into the week of the 15th, as we all know because I was on YOUR show Lou the 16th they called opera, the US called operation "TOPOFF," a hundred agencies, ahm... mobilised including Canada, err... "WINTER SUN" in New York City, all these terrorist exercises for some week, ahh... for some reason, ahh... that week, so after the 16th when we announced specific dates for the 20th and 21st for rotation stoppage, BOOM... went to level ORANGE in the Homeland security alert system, the next level up allow them to tell you to stay in homes and not leave. Certainly stay in your cities and not leave and this would allow them to trap you on the coast, to trap you in the inland cities that are along, are along the, ahh large rivers. If they wish to they could selectively allow certain citizens to escape, they had good teeth and strong backs and, err.. err... all unwanted mouths to feed would just die. If you don't think this is what they're up to then why didn't they tell YOU, why they were going to this effort, just when the long announced Zetatalk date was arriving? This was a demonstration to show you in a way that could not be said by mere words what they were up to and a cover-up does exist. Back to you Lou." So the Zetas wanted to give us a demonstration knowing how the government would react once faced with a definite date? Knowing through their telepathic abilities exactly what they were about to do. Which begs the question why they didn't hint? After all they could easily keep their credibility had they stated that something was amiss prior to the given dates. After all the government would have no idea of the deception, right, as Nancy was an unwitting dupe too. They could easily have dropped a clue then announced its reasoning after the event as an indication to their sincerity and as form of proof, and let's face it there could have been many ways to carry this off without giving too much away. They could have told everyone to watch events unfold carefully during this period as indications of PX would become apparent. That sort of thing. Instead they said nothing and just deceived everyone leaving them in the air for several days after the failed prediction.
Ok so let's assume the deception was necessary to expose the government and reveal their plans. Plans to do what? Blow up bridges and trap the populous? How many cities have only one exit over a single bridge? Come to think of it just how many exits do most cities have? Not that many actually live in the city. Most live in the suburbs, literally spread over hundreds, if not thousands of acres depending on the local. I seriously doubt the authorities would know which road to start with let alone have enough men to seal them all off. And how long do you think they could keep a populous captive in their homes with Richter 15 quakes, (which are those predicted in a pole shift?)
How many troops are going to stand guard while the populous and nature turn against them in one almighty catastrophe. No amount of weaponry could stop tens of thousands moving as one once the determination and desperation levels are set. (That's a bit like an ant trying to stop a freight train.) At best they could simply delay, but delay what? Frightened and terrified people that would ultimately scatter once all hell broke lose anyway. They surely wouldn't all die in the ensuing chaos. But suppose they all did manage to escape, so what? What is the most likely sequence of events when all the damage has been done? The Zeta faithful should know. Nancy has it on her web site.
Most would inevitably return to the smouldering remains of society shortly after, looking for some vestige of authority to help and assist. The majority aren't going to head for the hills and stay there for any length of time. They'd want medical supplies, food, housing, clothing, heat and protection, but ultimately some kind of guidance which wouldn't be found in solitude out in the wilds somewhere. Nancy knows it, her scenario is on Zetatalk, and you're not telling me the government hasn't thought about that, why else make us all reliant on society as a whole. Which begs the question why the Zetas seem apparently ignorant of this fact, especially when considering they are supposed to be able to read any one mind and see what the majority are thinking. Which means the "lambs" would ultimately return to the "slaughter" whether the Zeta laid out a demonstration or not rendering the "white lie" absolutely redundant. Besides why destroy what little credibility you've already got. And let's face it they are hardly overflowing in those stakes.
Another point is that only the US was playing these silly little let's pretend games. Europe was showing no signs of tension. Neither was the middle East, (discounting current wars etc.,) Asia, etc., in fact there appeared to be nothing amiss except for America. Or are we supposed to believe the Zetas only operate within the confines and boundaries of the US. (That's a bit too much like placing all your eggs in one basket for an intergalactic race among many allegedly inhabited planets.)
No had the Zetas prepared the ground properly they could have, in one easy step, destroyed their critics and bolstered already waning faith by setting up a demonstration for all to witness. Instead they simply failed on yet another prediction and made a mound of illogical excuses and the more one examines the possibilities the more ludicrous the Zeta explanation becomes. ------o------
Telepathy "We know what is planned, we know maneuvers that are planned long before they are announced in the news or executed err.. this is uhmm.. one way we can ensure that Nancy is not assassinated despite a, ahh... literally thousands of attempts that have been mustered forth and planned uhhh... someone thinks it we know it, we counter it and we hurt that person who put the plan in motion so that... in a way that they understand...." Literally thousands of attempts on Nancy's life? We know it, counter it and hurt that person? Obviously the Zetas didn't do a very good job, or the recipient didn't understand, if over a thousand more attempts followed. More likely they were hurting the wrong person. Which brings into question why they are directly interfering when according to them they are not allowed as I think you could most definitely class hurting humans as interfering. "Those that planned it...." would be the elite as ultimately all plans go through a chain of command from the head down. So how come they didn't get the message after the first few attempts? The Zetas must know who they are through telepathy, can get direct access to literally anyone on the planet, so that's no excuse, why are they then not trembling with fear at the very mention of the name Zeta, as all indications are they could care less. Not very effective, either that or Nancy isn't a very high priority else she wouldn't be around to claim that attempts had been made. ------o------
Zeta Cult "I don't care what people say, they tried to say we're a cult, but a cult requires people to blindly follow that has never been what Zetatalk has said. If you actually read it, it constantly said rely on yourself, use your own, you know, capacity to think, come to your own decisions and we've always allowed a great deal of argument and discussions, pros and cons to go on, encouraged it, the whole Troubled Time mailing list group is one, where people give out this, where maybe its just nothing and its all wet, and maybe this other guy over here, what about this, that's been encouraged because we're asking people to think. If you look at the "sighting" pages, where we ah.. team of people and, and making these images since the fall of 2002, on CCD images, you know, first its a dot, then its a tail haze, and then here are it looks like asteroids, but no there's a moon, that type of thing we deliberately put out our arguments among the sighting tem, no ahmm.. no I think its this, but that couldn't be and, and, we, we put these discussions on the web to show people that among our own team we argue and , and allow dissention and this is to encourage people to jump in and do the same but don't buy a dictate, were asking people to take control of their life and think and look, always have". So why is that, so called "open discussion" on the Troubled Times mailing list heavily moderated and edited, Nancy? Why are only the TT-Inc members the only individuals selected as moderators? Open discussion, absolute rubbish, as I've already shown on this site. (Troubled Times is a dictate and one instigated and set up by Nancy, who ultimately is Zetatalk and Troubled Times.) You'll also note that no where on the "sightings" pages are there any opposing viewpoints, so even in alleged "argument" they all actually agree with one another. (No where does any one member of the sighting team ever state they doubt the existence of Planet X. If they did they wouldn't be there for long. As is becoming evident now with Jan's open dissention, although he himself is a "Kingpin" and pretty much invulnerable.) ------o------
Nancy's German Shepard "Actually, I had a German Shepard dog that was er... feral, it was, it was not erm... socialised enough in the kennel and was 18 months old and we put it down and the vet was utterly relieved, because he was afraid he was going to bite somebody and I could not socialise it, I really tried, uhmmm... and, and ahhh... in fact I, my point was I have put dogs to sleep, pets to sleep when it was necessary without regret, because it's no worse than them getting their rabies shot, uhmm... so I did'nt do that because I thought the pole shift was approaching, although I will tell you that I was very worried about what would happen with that dog, uhmmm... because he would be likely to go off and form a wild dog pack, and, and take children down and, and I would have done it ahead of the pole shift, yes. If, if we hadn't made the decision earlier for other reasons." So why was Nancy "bragging" to the Philly in the morning radio audience, on May 28th that she had done this as part of PX preparation?
"I had a wonderful German Shepard and we put it down because we knew what was going to happen." http://www.q102philly.com/ver2/citms/citms_archives.htm
You'll note there is no mention of unsocial behaviour. Amazing how skilful Nancy is at lying. ------o------
Suicide "Zetas have never recommended suicide, they have said anyone who knows this is coming and is aware of it has a responsibility to stay alive and help those who are going to be taken by surprise. There's going to be shock and injury and grow up folks and take responsibility and help others. Don't think about the easy way out and suicide is that. Don't do it. That's been there message consistently." So why is it the Zetas recommend suicide, as stated on Nancy's web site? Actually openly promoting the idea of euthanasia.
ZetaTalk: Survivors
ZetaTalk: Suicide We, the Zetas, believe in the right to suicide. Whose life is it, anyway? Suicide has been given a bad name in human societies, by association. The mad man, convinced he has committed crimes in fact not done, destroys his good life. A waste. In fact, this seldom happens, and is much more dramatized in fiction than occurs in fact. Most suicide is undertaken after much agonizing and debate. Most suicide is undertaken when life is truly intolerable, because of never ending pain or because the life circumstances cannot and will not change and are emotionally and mentally intolerable. The humans have cast about for years, seeking solutions, and none are to be found. They are in agony, and wish release. Most suicides do not even hamper others, but are seen as a relief. At last, the others no longer need participate as spectators in the agony. The tortured is at rest. http://www.zetatalk.com/beinghum/b14.htm
ZetaTalk: Social Services
If the injured is in pain, this means pain
medication to the point of stupor or, if no medication exists and the
pain is extreme, assisted suicide. Contrary to what humans may have been
led to believe, individuals in severe, chronic, and hopelessly painful
situations invariably request to be allowed to die. They beg for this,
in fact. In Service-to-Other groups, those hopelessly maimed or chronically in pain will be allowed to choose suicide....
http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t34.htm
ZetaTalk: Basic Similarities http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h02.htm
ZetaTalk: Level of Preparation http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p121.htm
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com Indeed at one stage I remember it became a heated topic on the tt-groups when Nancy and her "faithful" claimed it as the "easy and cowardly way out" while some of us argued that suicide was never an easy or wise option, either to make or attempt. She even claimed that the elderly moved to beach front property as a subconscious suicide wish for PX, so the tidal waves would take them swiftly when the pole shift occurred.
Troubled Times Realistic
Accept inevitable or likely death stoically and
with a sense of peace. Those on medical support systems will die. Those
dependent on medication will probably die. The seriously injured will
probably die. Those who simply can't adjust to a reduced lifestyle, and
are endlessly depressed for self focused reasons and want out in suicide
should perhaps be allowed to do so. The "if I can't have my house on the
beach I'd rather be dead" crowd should be allowed to die! ------o------
I guess that blows yet another set of Nancy statements out of the water, yet the faithful still believe every last word.
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