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"Thus, the minions
are out trying to attack THIS
channel, the #poleshiftdiscussion channel, but hold firm!
This will not
last
.......
consider this a temporary attack,
diminishing in intensity, and likely to disappear within weeks."
Nancy Lieder
Due to the various DOS attacks on the IRC,
Funnet# basically banned Nancy's participation on the chat groups,
effectively finishing QueenVee's poleshiftdiscussion# group along with
the Zetatalk IRC. To facilitate its continuance Zetatalk approached
Undernet# who now host the new Zetatalk sessions by invitation
membership. However this maneuver draws into question a previous Zeta
statement concerning QueenVee and the poleshiftdiscussion chat group.
Session Start:
Sat Feb 22 11:19:04 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[13:22]
<NancyL>
ZT: Thus, the minions are out trying to attack THIS
channel, the #poleshiftdiscussion channel, but hold firm!
[13:22]
<NancyL>
ZT: This will not last,
as the Earth Changes have gotten so severe, are already leaking outside
of media control, and will soon have everyone, including the debunkers,
so distracted they will have other matters to attend to.
[13:24]
<NancyL>
ZT: Thus, consider this a temporary attack, diminishing in
intensity, and likely to disappear within weeks.
So why is Nancy no longer participating on
QueenVee's site?
From:
"queenvee59 <queenvee59@h...>"
Date:
Sat Mar 1, 2003 12:56 am
Subject:
ZetaTalk Sessions in #poleshiftdiscussion DISCONTINUED
......As you may or may not be aware, Nancy Lieder's ZetaTalk Sessions in
the Shift2003 Chat Room (#poleshiftdiscussion) have been the target
of frequent internet attacks by debunker-hackers. As a result, the
owners of the Funnet.Org IRC network (whose servers were also attacked)
recently informed us that they can no longer afford to host ZetaTalk
Sessions anywhere on their network.....
The Zetas say its only temporary. Yet Funnet# somehow
didn't believe her? I'd say her so called "attackers" did a pretty
fine job making the Zetas prediction somewhat redundant. (Zeta accuracy 100% inaccurate.
)
Still, on the "new" Zetatalk (Undernet#) during
the opening session an imposter posing as Nancy's usual handle (NancyL) turned up and was banned. Subsequently
Nancy logged on as "NancyLied" rather an ironic handle really.]
Session Start:
Sat Mar 08 13:30:16 2003
Session Ident: #zetatalk
[14:00]
<NancyLied>
SIGN of the TIMES #2
[14:00]
<NancyLied> While
flying back to Houston from Rio de Janero [late Feb], I believe that I
was able to see the Nibiru Complex w/10 power binoculars. It appeared as
a very diffuse area that looked very dimly backlit. We were out over the
Amazon Basin.. The atmosphere was very clear above us. The other two
pilots I was flying with were also able to see it with the binoculars.
[Binoculars in late Feb? The Image Team can't
get a decent CCD image using high grade telescopes yet this "person"
alleges to have viewed it with binoculars while traveling at some six
hundred odd miles an hour in an aircraft. So what does Nancy do? Uses
this wholly questionable communication as "accuracy?" She really must be
getting desperate.]
[On the whole the topic
of the IRC centered around the last dubious CCD image where it was noted
that some kind of double exposure, or ghost image had been superimposed,
with Nancy attempting to explain the error in her usual manner.]
[14:07]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Unable to influence the public, except briefly last summer, and
finding they have LOST the battle to keep amateurs and astronomers world
wide from checking the ZetaTalk site for recent images, the debunkers
reported to outright fraud.
[14:07]
<NancyLied> ZT: Their
influence, depending heavily on notaries like Jim Scotti, had obviously
fallen flat, and the intense flooding of postings full of insults were
simply being ignored.
[This is in reference to
debates on sci-astro where the images were disputed, although one must
ask why Nancy still holds such significance on a site she has stipulated
many times is frequented by "paid government debunkers."
[14:08]
<NancyLied>
ZT: The accusation of pixel
defects to account for objects showing up on ALL frames, even when the
camera was being moved to focus on different areas of the sky, showed
lack of creativity on the part of the debunkers.
[Where the so called
"planet" also moved with the motion of the scope proving some kind of
defect rather than any extraterrestrial object.]
[14:09]
<NancyLied>
ZT: The argument that asteroids were being images lasted not more than
days, as asteroid presence can be determined readily by checking into
the Minor Planet Center site, and the many moons evident on the images
were simply not registered asteroids!
[The known asteroid
Nancy identified as planet X, later corrected, supposedly by her own
image team, but in reality the sci-astro "debunkers". Then admitted by
Nancy herself. So basically her mistake with the subsequent arguments of
her making and no one else.]
[14:09]
<NancyLied>
ZT: What to do, to buy time, as the debunking masters were demanding!
[14:11]
<NancyLied>
ZT: The plan, running steadily since
mid-summer 2002, to flood the sci.astro Usenet with adolescent and
insulting comments on every thread related to either Nancy or ZetaTalk
or the Planet X imaging, had back fired, created a suspicion in the
public that something was THERE, to account for all the attention.
[There have been no
serious debates on sci-astro. Flooded by adolescent and insulting
comments yes, but from the Zetadrones, what few remain.]
[14:11]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Thus, the debunking master
huddled with his team, and tried to come up with a NEW plan.
[14:12]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Meanwhile, they were instructed NOT to post incessently on sci.astro,
but to wait for futher instructions, thus the relative quite on that
Usenet of late.
[It's quiet because
there are very few Zetadrones cluttering sci-astro. Most of the time
its membership have better subjects to discuss. Besides they hold no
sole prejudice to Nancy and the Zetadrones, they tend to treat all
"kooks" the same when they occasionally crop up.]
[14:12]
<NancyLied>
ZT: As the Planet X complex was due to be visible, unaided, to the eye
by early April, they had to anticipate its appearance and create a rumor
debunking this, was the plan.
[But its visible
by binoculars now according to the "SIGN OF THE TIMES #2 so any
reasonable telescope should be able to view it. And seven weeks before
the shift (May 15th) is the 27th of March not April.]
[14:13]
<NancyLied> A nebula, as the dust
could and swirls of moons are NOW being described as more visible than
the Planet X corpus itself, was the debunking tool of choice.
[The moons are
more visible than the planet? They must have some pretty impressive
chunks of rock strung out in its gravitational field if they're showing up brighter than a planet
four times our mass.]
[14:14]
<NancyLied>
ZT: As has been noted both by conversations with the Arnie Rent-a-Scope
owner and Naji, who is a technical wiz, someone rented the scope AHEAD
of the infamous Mar 6, 2003 imaging session where a nebula was
superimposed on the image Naji took.
[The double
image.]
[14:15]
<NancyLied>
ZT: As has also been noted by Naji, Arnie's site is not designed to
thwart hackers, assuming a decent crowd of amateurs intent on collecting
their images, not subterfuge.
[14:16]
<NancyLied>
ZT: The server can be hacked, has copies of recent images, and users,
and Arnies instant message, assumed private, can be tapped as easily as
a phone line.
[Arnie's rent a
scope site has not been hacked and no one but Nancy is claiming it has.]
[14:17]
<NancyLied>
Thus, those perpetrating this fraud KNEW when Naji was planning to use
the scope, and were ready going into the Mar 7, 2003 coordinate date as
it had been noted that the team took images close to the coordinate
dates, recently.
[The conspiracy.
Notice how everything considered a problem becomes part of the conspiracy.]
[14:18]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Image ghosts, caused by a failure of the equipment to reset the CCD
camera, can be created in MORE than one way, they can direct one image
to superimpose on another.
[If the "expert"
astronomers had bothered to check or taken more than one image the
problem would not have occurred. But then they did didn't they?]
[14:19]
<NancyLied>
ZT: What was the accusation against
NASA, recently, that a student had superimposed a close up of the comet
NEAT V1 over the image of the Sun?
[So they thought
they'd repeat the process with Arnie's site? Messing up one whole image
of what? .... nothing, as there's still no sight of this elusive orb
despite being bright enough to be seen through binoculars and earlier
yet by Steve Havas back in 2001.]
[14:19]
<NancyLied> ZT: Thus, as
Arnie stated in his correspondence, someone had RECENTLY taken an image
of the Orion nebula, which can be imaged such that star light is
filtered out, but the nebula itself is enhanced.
[14:20]
<NancyLied>
ZT: This image was retains on the server, as a digitized image, same
binning as the team uses.
[14:20] <NancyLied>
ZT: When Naji, as a specified and KNOWN account, used the scope, the
software was programmed, by a hacker, to superimpose the nebula.
[14:21]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Then the program directing this activity self deleted!
[How convienient
for the Zetas.]
[14:21]
<NancyLied>
ZT: What this group did NOT expect was that Naji would plunge in the
next two nights and take a barage of images, for Mar 7 and Mar 8.
[The "government" couldn't have been that
thorough or they'd have "hacked" the next two nights as well.
Besides there's nothing in the images. But then come to
think of it what was it Nancy's Zetas said about QueenVee's hack attack?
"It would not succeed?" So why is Zetatalk no longer hosted on Funnet
and Poleshiftdiscussion# abandoned? They're not very good on the
prediction side are they?]
[14:22]
<NancyLied>
ZT: These are solid images, showing
the Moons no longer simply as Avis recognized new object barely visible,
but OBVIOUS, in their great numbers.
[But if these
blotches are the moons where is the planet? And what happened to the
amazing "white and red persona?"]
[14:22]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Again, evidence of the inbound nature of the Planet X complex.
[14:22]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Since our statements cannot be proved, nor disproved, we expect them
to meet with ridicule by the debunking crowd.
[Now on that
prediction you can claim a 100% accuracy.]
[14:23]
<NancyLied> ZT:
However, it is clear that this
team has NEVER doctored images, and is struggling with the technical
aspects, a long learning curve on the need for Flats and Bias images,
and the need for moving the camera about during a session so as to
eliminate any spots on the camera lens itself.
[14:24]
<NancyLied>
ZT: Thus, to those watching this
drama, they see NOT fraud on the part of the team, but a deliberate
discrediting attempt, all the more reason to take the team seriously,
and the debunking crowd for what it IS!
[If Nancy kept off
sci-astro they would never broach the subject again, except to
occasionally ponder what ever happened to that annoying insane woman.]
[14:24]
<NancyLied> End ZT on this
matter, and looking for next Q!
------o------
[14:51]
<NancyLied>
Neoca, as the Z's stated, the Bush
controllers listen to the STS aliens,
who LIE,
and like to create as much devastation as possible, hopelessness in
humans, disappointment, as this creates a better harvest for them.
[14:54]
<NancyLied>
The aliens they listened to LIED,
were STS, as these folks are STS, and gave the Call to them, etc.
[But then so do
Nancy's Zetas as they admitted themselves along with "deceit" and
"playing games." So what does that make them?]
------o------
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