"You will NOT be allowed to invade Iraq as expected, to succeed, and your secret plans, your smug deals with allies, will FAIL!"

Key points here are

"as expected" and "to succeed".  

Nancy Lieder

The IRAQ Saga

Session Start: Sat Mar 22 13:33:16 2003
Session Ident: #zetatalk
 

[13:51] <Martian2> Nancy sez: "The Zetas *will not allow an attack on Iraq*"
[13:51] <NancyL> Martian2, NOT. Quote please (you lie)
[13:55] <NancyL> Regarding the LIE stated earlier by Martian2 "Nancy sez: 'The Zetas *will not allow an attack on Iraq*'"
[14:03] <NancyL> I anticipated this disinfo (stated in quotes as though this was done), and challenged him to dig up the quote.
[14:03] <NancyL> Here's what the Zetas ACTUALLY said:
[14:03] <NancyL> On 02/01/03 Zetatalk chat session, the Zetas said (towards the Bush administration) ZT: You will NOT be allowed to invade Iraq as expected, to succeed, and your secret plans, your smug deals with allies, will FAIL!'
[No matter how you spin it "You will NOT be allowed to invade IRAQ," means you will not be able to invade IRAQ, which they did. The succeed portion is vague, as usual for Nancy but it does say their plans will fail, which again they haven't.]

[14:04] <NancyL> Key points here are "as expected" and "to succeed".

[Funnily enough almost to the word what was discussed on TT (See TT watch at three months.)

From: Scaredy Cat <the_green_pill2003@y...>
Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:19 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Adddressing this issue

I think the phrase 'as expected' would be key here, especially as 'shock and awe' has been postponed ...........

SC

From: "mlistman" <mlistman@i...>
Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Adddressing this issue

Shouldn't ignore the phrase 'to succeed'......

[Now this was March  21st on tt-watch, almost exactly what Nancy has said. Either Nancy frequents tt under an false ID or she monitors tt-watch to see how her statements are received by the faithful, thereby able to take the most acceptable excuses to bolster their doubts. Which makes sense as Zetatalk is built on contributing member contributions.]

......As with the Columbia Shuttle, which lofted after months of mechanical problems in both the shuttle and launching equipment, after Mar's probe snags, where the successful LAUNCH was deemed a "huh?" regarding the Zeta warning.

[So now she changes the subject and starts to confuse the issue by returning to shuttle babble as if to strengthen her statement, which did not follow the original statement.]

 [14:04] <NancyL> Now they have less than 15% of the debris recovered, the rest spread over several states, an independent investigation, and oops! Can't continue the space program to escape to Mars or nuke Px! Did the Zetas state that an Iraq invasion would not be allowed? Never. To quote from the Goverment section of ZT.
[She now brings in earlier stuff, again nothing to do with the statement on the 1st of Feb.]
[14:04] <NancyL> "Because the months leading up to the pole shift are viewed as an opportunity to establish global control, a
[14:04] <NancyL> type of global dictatorship, and those tight at the top of the Bush Administration greedy and arrogant enough to believe they can achieve this. What would such a global dictatorship entail, and what steps would be required to achieve this? Military Might, An Excuse, War Lord Rights, Population Sculpting"
[14:04] <NancyL> Please note that this is the Bush PLAN for the invasion, as perceived by the Zetas.
[14:04] <NancyL> Sep 7, 2002 Stumble
[14:04] <NancyL> "Will this plan succeed? Hardly. ... What changes will occur to upset the plan? Economic Collapse, Geological Changes, Breaking Ranks, Timely Expose"

[14:04] <NancyL> Outlining the blocks to the Bush Administration plans for success in world DICTATORSHIP. Timely exposes occurred re the US/Brit forged info on nuclear material into Iraq. Economic collapse continues with nothing but bad news economically worldwide.

[Again all utter rubbish. Economic collapse? Geological changes? The Us has suffered none and neither has the UK. More failed prophesy.]

[14:05] <NancyL> Sep 21, 2002 Inspections
[14:05] <NancyL> "As this is still in the hands of man, it could run in many directions, but we expect the economic issues to delay any actual confrontation. ... Thus, we predict that Iraq, and inspections, will win this game of
[14:05] <NancyL> chess".

[Another contradiction as the Zetas here predicted that the inspectors and Iraq will WIN. The Inspectors were recalled by the US prior to invasion and no matter how you cut it Iraq cannot withstand against the might of the US and UK, so again the prediction failed. Another zero to the Zetas.]
[14:05] <NancyL> Note HANDS OF MAN statement, qualifying their prediction, as it is a "game of chess" among men.

[No where was  "the hands of Man" statement used in the Feb 1st statement. See below. But then this human choice crap was destroyed when the Zetas took it upon themselves to allegedly destroy a shuttle full of human occupants. Their choice was taken from them when the Zetas effectively murdered them and as for qualifying their prediction, what crap, she's just deflected the truth, but then the Zetas are good at that.]

Nancy's full statement from Feb 1st.

[12:33] <NancyL> ZT:We have, over the past few months, when queries about NASA disasters such as Mars probes disappearing or malfunctioning, or Space Station or Shuttle problems, responded consistently this this was due to Council of Worlds decisions.
[12:34] <NancyL> ZT: Mankind on Earth is quarantined from the giant hominoids that inhabit Planet X, and vice versa.
[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: This is due to a decision some econs ago that the giant hominoids, being larger and more technically advanced than mankind, were upsetting the 3rd Density balance needed for a fair orientation determination, the lesson of 3rd Density.
[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, the giant hominoids were driven from Earth by a series of disasters, and setup mining on a moon of Mars, where they are today.
[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: Likewise, this quarantine applies to any plans the Bush Administration might have to nuke the inbound Planet X, coordinating the various nuclear devices they have ALREADY placed into space, on supposed probes, from a well equiped and staffed Space Station.
[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: This quarantine, and a decision to force the STS elite of Earth to stay WITH the populace they have such distain for, also applies to an escape to Mars.
[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: In spite of economic setbacks to the point of revisiting the Great Depression, homelessness, bankruptcy, cutbacks in Social Security and medical coverage for the poor, the Bush Administration thinks ONLY of invading the oil fields of Iraq and funding a nuclear engine for a fast track to Mars.
[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: They are becoming obvious.
[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: Most recently we were asked why, after we announced after the last disaster that the gloves were coming off, that a seeming success was allowed.
[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: Our answer at that time was that the devastation to these elite groups is greater when they seem to HAVE a success, followed by yet more devastating failures.
[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: This is an example.
[12:42] <NancyL> ZT: Since the last disaster, they have announced funding for NASA, from a deficit greater than any in history, from a banking system with a lower interest rate than any since WWII, from a tanking Stock Market and no hope in sight, that they are FUNDING NASA so they can have a fast track, a nuclear driver, to Mars!
[12:42] <NancyL> ZT: Arrogance, and obviously the populace matters NOT AT ALL.
[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: Was there any significance to an Israeli on board when the shuttle blew up, and was this truly an accident?
[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: Yes, and no.
[12:44] <NancyL> ZT: The Bush Administration has made no secret of their intention to invade Iraq, lay mines in Iraq soil to disembowel future chidren, and cause untold mutilation and injury to American soldier and citizens of the Middle East combined.
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT: They have zero justification, but this matters not to those who think they can dominate the world, and have the ONLY military might that can do so.
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT: This military might comandeered by coup, not by democratic vote, we might add.
[12:46] <NancyL> ZT: Their ally in this invasion is far more than Britian, a rather nervous Blair, it is Israel.
[12:47] <NancyL> ZT: The brute force that has been eliminating the Palastinians from their homeland could be counted on, so the logic goes, to invade and MANAGE Iraq oil fields, for the greater good of chronies of the Bush Administration, of course.
[12:47] <NancyL> ZT: So a message was given, but there is MORE to this picture than meets the eye.
[12:48] <NancyL> ZT: What TRULY was ongoing on the Shuttle, on the Space Station to be finalized in the next few weeks and months?
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: Nuclear armed probes have been sent aloft in the recent past, to the alarm of those residents on Earth who saw the danger to EARTH should the probe not make it into orbit.
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: Was it quite necessary to arm a probe with nuclear material, just to explore the unknown?
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: This probe, of course, was enroute to Planet X, a trajectory not even hidden from public view at that time.
[12:50] <NancyL> ZT: And this probe not the FIRST or LAST such to be launched.
[12:50] <NancyL> ZT: To coordinate a nuking of Planet X, the Space Station, well above the soup of Earth's atmosphere, was required.
[12:51] <NancyL> ZT: At LAST they had gotten back to staffing and equiping it! Or so they thought.
[12:51] <NancyL> ZT: The message of the disintegrating and finally exploding shuttle was to the Bush Administration, who will not fail to get the message.
[12:52] <NancyL> ZT: They will NOT be allowed to distroy another 3rd Density world, they MUST stand with their citizenry, so much treated with distain, and there will be NO escape to Mars or elsewhere!
[12:53] <NancyL> ZT: In that an Israeli scientist was on board, the first, there was a dual message.
[12:53] <NancyL> ZT: You will NOT be allowed to invade Iraq as expected, to succeed, and your secret plans, your smug deals with allies, will FAIL!
[12:54] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter, followup?
 

[Note no "Hands of Man."]
 

[15:48] <NancyL> Going to post those Zeta comments re Iraq now, given to me on 3/19 as I was anxious and knew there would be so many Q's re this.
[15:49] <NancyL> "There will be no terrorist attacks, nor will the war progress to the point where a regime change occurs. Matters are escalating, quakes and weather and illness all ganging up on the war mongers, though this is NOT coming forth in the news. How would it be that a base in California was afflicted a month ago, and again in the SE, but NO illness is affecting troups crowded into Kuwait?"

[Quakes, weather and illness? So how is it, if there is a news blackout of these events, Nancy can mentions a California base afflicted a month ago. No one knows about it, right? Its a secret?]
[15:49] <NancyL> "Likewise the heat has come sooner than expected, the dust storms more violent and continuing. What we are saying is that the US public is being told a quick war will result in success, but the utter opposite will be the case. Mechanical failure, human error compounding human error, and accidents that will silence the cry for support for war utterly."

[Very good Nancy has access to the News as well, everything mentioned here has already been covered in the media, the dust storms , the likelihood that the war may not end as quickly as predicted, although the dust storms are not impeding the coalition forces. And mechanical failure was prevalent during the Afghanistan campaign and it is well known there are problems with the mechanical divisions in desert warfare. Why it was even noticed during the second world war. Or were the Zetas involved back then?]
[15:50] <NancyL> For those who missed it, I posed early on in the session a series of quotes proving that ZT did NOT say that no invasion of Iraq would be allowed by the Council.

[Yes they did, you just twist it.]
[15:50] <NancyL> They said "hands of man" in the same paragraph where they indicated it was THEIR (Zeta) best guess at that point in time that all the factors to delay or prevent an invasion would STOP it from occurring.

[No they didn't, since when did the Zetas "best guess" anything? Hardly the supreme prophets now they claimed themselves to be.]
[15:51] <NancyL> Otherwise, they stated all the factors, solely.
[15:51] <NancyL> The Zetas would seem to be saying that 1. Saddam is not dead and is unlikely to become so, or his family deposed.

 [Good general statement as there is no way to verify. Iraq is hardly likely to admit he is dead, and its more than likely that by the time this is over either a.) he will have disappeared like Bin Laden off the face of the planet, or b) we will be past the May 15th deadline if the war IS prolonged. So we'll all know by then anyway. Although I'm keeping track Nancy. You may just be eating these words shortly down the line.]
[15:52] <NancyL> 2. where invasion occurred, it is unlikely to succeed where the US will have world domination, control of the oil fields.

{The US already has control of the oil fields. They were primary targets to ensure so called "ecological" damage. They also control all AID and access to the region. Which I would say constitutes overall "success" and so, I think, would Bush.]
[15:52] <NancyL> 3. mechanical problems, and weather, will be the MOST likely means the Council uses to prevent their world domination and success in this war.

[How convenient, Military incompetence, wear and tear is now down to the Zetas. Still a good way to ensure no one can ever prove that aliens were ever involved, unless you're gullible enough to believe it that is. So every time a helicopter, plane or tank grinds to a halt we can thank the Zetas. So what's going to stop the infantry? Foot rot or pure Nancy rot?]

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