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Jason Martell Vs Nancy Lieder
Lou: Anyway let's go back to everybody, we have Jason, Nancy and John everybody there?
Nancy: Hi
John: Yep.
Jason: Yep.
Lou: Jason as you were saying erm, you know start off with what you were going to talk about before we went to break.
Jason: Sure, I basically was just er, going to sum up some of the comments, or make some comments on what Nancy spoke about. What she has mentioned was the Hubble is not giving the correct data or off-line or some sort, I mean you know we get information from the Hubble all the time, consistently and er, one of the things just received world wide attention....<missing> NBC and CNN where Hubble, you know the effects of some of the information are getting leads them to suggest that there's a planet out there of very old origin, not Planet X and completely far from us but, er, its quite interesting information that, you know we do recieve a lot of information from our space agencies and the projects and things that we have planned even currently now, there's really some, really some amazing things going on. One of the missions that they're about to launch the Space Infra Red Telescope Facility. This is being launched in August and its basically designed to look for planets or objects in space that are of very low temperature, this things going to be super cooled, er you know floating around er, its going to be basically floating around the Sun, little bit behind Earth the way we would orbit, but further back and same orbit around the Sun and this thing is designed specifically to look for extra-solar planets and brown dwarfs, anything in a very, very low Celsius range, very freezing to a mid range temperature. So its really a companion to Hubble, but the really interesting thing about SIRTF is er, this is a California based telescope. Built and launched right here at Jet Propulsion Laboratories and er, you know I spoke with, as I mentioned one of the lead astronomers Dr Fallor and she was very kind in responding to me and fielding my questions to ask her about Planet X, "Do you see any impending threat happening, you know any time soon? Come on be honest you know I joke, Nothing." She even gave me an official response from her as a NASA employee which I posted on my site, that clearly says the last huge observation of the sky, with the wide angle explorer, you know done 99, all of these plates, you know showing out in all the various directions, you know 98 percent of the sky. If there was an object coming in more than likely they would see it. The only other comment I would make is that, you know another, another NASA astronomer Bruce Thompson, off the record, but nice enough to still give me a quote which says "when telling against the supposed of this mystery planet X, as far as I'm concerned is that the next encounter has been claimed to be more, no more than a year away, if so then it puts mystery planet X it within range of our space watch program, which as far as I know, from the multitude of .....<missing> I receive have found nothing but a lot of asteroids, Bruce Thompson, NASA, August 11th 2002". And so, I mean, there, there's actually been a lot of you know, projects going on with wide angle array telescopes looking out for space objects coming towards us. Unfortunately programs like NEAT and you know these programs that get control time over the various satellites for experiments don't always involve looking for Earth objects, but er, you know there is a lot of information out there and if one does their homework, you know through legitimate means and not by looking at web cam pictures or er, starring at the sun until your coronas fall out erm, there is actual evidence that shows erm, that hey if there was something coming in, you can do your own homework as an independent, you know analysis or even without even a big degree in astronomy to realise that something's coming in or not. So the only last point I would make is that Nancy has mentioned some information that someone named Oliver or er, some actual physicist in France, well who are these people? Where are their credentials? Why aren't they posted on the front page of your sites saying my information is being authenticated? I see nothing, as of yet, except, you know for a bunch of web cam pictures and things using a catadiotic lens effect that shows a little dot in the middle of the sun which are caused, you know simple, simple things produced by a camera with an extended lens er, I still see nothing yet except for web cam pics, no astronomical, you know confirmation of any of the images, or any of the stuff that she has, as of yet, to say, you know this is Planet X. So I'll offer it over from there.
Lou: Ok Nancy.
John: May I say something?
Lou: Go ahead John:
John: You know it's kind of interesting you mention all the big company's there Jason, but I remember reading in the newspaper, front of the Vancouver Sun, in Vancouver here where ham radio operators were to get very clear, precise signals of the Viking series of transmissions and telemetry down on Earth using a ham radio set up and tape recorder, something sitting on a kitchen table was able to pick up these images as clear as a bell. Just wanted to put that in there for you to think about a little bit, that you don't need huge NASA arrays and stuff like that but that it can be done with simple table top systems.
Jason: As far as being able to pick up signals that would relay data and, yea, not specifically images.
John: Imagery, oh definitely imagery.
Jason: See because the thing I was touching on, not to get off topic was the fact that most of the current analysis from looking for a planet X, or extra solar planet doesn't have anything to do with specifically with visual er, as far as the eye range of visual light, its more of an infra red light looking for a heat signature.
John: Humhmmm, I've used those kinds of things myself and picked up weird things in the sky.
Jason: Yea, see I never have, but again the information is there that I can logically deduce. Do I want to look at web cam pics and search for planet X or do I want to use infra red astronomy?
John: You use infra red astronomy its not that complex. I mean I got set ups here where I can look right into the whole system as well as many amateur ham radio operators can monitor signals and pick up imagery and telemetry and that. Quite intriguing stuff.
Jason: Yes well I'm going to have faith in that much more of a vast knowledge, of electronics and you know wiring up gadgets to er, to tune into that type of stuff. I think I've seen some of your video's actually where you know have air tight sealed containers and you're applying some type of a field, I don't know if its magnetics or something and these pieces of iron like burst into pieces?
John: Oh I've done a lot of that stuff all the time, but no you're referring to erm, ham radio operators and what not can actually.....
Jason: yea I know it was off topic, sorry.
John: Yea, ham radio operators which can pick up under T Zee using simple ham receiver and a decoding system with a simple reel to reel tape recorder which makes front page new in the Vancouver newspapers. Erm one of the biggest challenges of ham radio is to pick up those signals and put them into coherent sense though. I just thought I'd throw that at you and see how you would handle it.
Jason: I'll mull that over.
Lou: Hum, hum, hum. Ok Nancy you're er, comments.
Nancy: Yea, and yea I don't want to be a dead horse and say that just because NASA releases a picture on occasion, I didn't say that they're having trouble with the feed, I said that they don't deliver everything that they image to the public and why not? they, they have all kinds of excuses but the bottom line is they are a closed agency that issues forth some pictures now and then, you know so that the people can say "wow!" but not everything, You're, it, its a secret society sort of NASA is. And once again I encourage people to go and look for themselves, very dramatic you can see a second object, anomaly, people ah, call into the TV stations, I'm told er, and say what is that and its like don't discuss it. One time in Phoenix some people were talking in the morning news about what is that anomaly next to the Sun, they even had a picture up showing it, and after about fifteen minutes of this discussion by the er, morning news cast someone called in and said its a weather balloon which I thought was hilarious. So a lens flare, a weather balloon, swamp gas whatever but just go and look at those pictures and there are people who erm, find that they can look through two or three sun glasses or even holding up a floppy disk and looking through that erm, film opening it up and looking will erm, shield your eye and you can look at the sun or whatever without burning your eye. So unfortunately its in the sun. If it was six months earlier or later we would be able to see it in the night sky and then there would be no question. We would be having a very different kind of conversation. Then it would be called a nova and not an inbound er, erm brown dwarf, but right now because it is so much in the sun its difficult for people to see or even notice. What they know is the sun seems very intense. They look at the sunset and they can hardly look at it er, farmers are reporting their crops are maturing two weeks early. I hear this from a lot of different farmers. Cheery crop in Utah erm, matured two weeks early erm, people say that they're getting sun burned easy even though they go out in the sun every day, twelve hours a day and never have a problem with sunburn. This year they're getting sun burned, so there is an intensity in the sun. In the pictures on the website, one of the things is like a double reflection. Here's the, with the sun's reflection comes down and then there's another ray of light that comes down on the water erm, that, that's from er, planet X and er, or you can see it, there's one in the July 10th 2003 grouping that I was referencing earlier, from Florida that shows it coming at a different angle like a spot light, very dramatic, no clouds in front of the sun, this is not caused by clouds. You can see a double reflection. We had one day puffy clouds that would move in front of the sun and move on, one of those things where one minute you see the sun rays and its clear of shadow and then you don't. Well when it was in front of the sun we had a second shadow that appeared and I've heard this report from people too, that, that is its a little higher than the sun so the shadow makes it look like that whatever that is is a little higher in the sky. There's so much evidence that there's something there in addition to the very blood red sky and, and the government doesn't know how to tell this to you because they are assuming that you're going to panic. Think about who puts politicians in power? The amount of money raised for campaigns? This is very financially motivated, The banking system doesn't want to fail, corporations want their workers to go to work and everyone to shop until they drop. The economy is in terrible shape, its like the great depression. They don't want everything to fall apart. They don't want people to be aware. In the first place there is a shred of doubt in their minds that this thing is going to pass by and cause a pole shift, or devastation so they think why say anything unless we're sure, but they're also not saying anything because they don't want your messy panic. It's a very threatening message and they have no explanation for these evidences er, which are available to the er, common man. So over to you Lou.
Lou: Well.....
John: I.... sorry.
Lou: Go on John what were you going to say.
John: Oh I was going to ask Nancy how she got her data on it being a brown dwarf? That would indicate that its a very powerful gravity orientated body of matter?
Nancy: Hi, and thanks for that question John, I got this from the Zetas and there is in fact no human description that fits the parameters of this erm, planet er, which is smouldering and emitting heat and light. Human astrophysics says if you have a brown dwarf that is a failed sun but its sort of semi-lit its either several times as large as Jupiter there is nothing smaller, they claim it has to be gaseous and then if there's a planet it doesn't be, it, it cannot be if it has a molten core, but certainly isn't emitting light unless its from the infra red spectrum, from, from the heat. So there is no description that fits. So if we, if we call it a planet they say well how come its emitting light and how come you can see it at this point, whatever so we have to say its a smouldering brown dwarf four times the size the diameter of the Earth and I got this information from the Zetas. Everything on the website that is Zetatalk is from the Zetas. Now if you, if you link to, if it doesn't say Zetatalk under the text clearly, you know or the page says Zetatalk up on top then some human wrote that er, but , but I do a credit if its John or Mary or me, whatever but erm, that came from the Zetas, they said that in 1995 that the weather was going to get erm, as it has gotten with strange droughts and deluges and increasingly so on a linear basis until the passage. That quakes were going to increase, that people can say they are not, but in fact there's a lot of evidence that they've been dropped from the database, quakes have, people the USG under reporting the size where they say well a 5. did all this stuff and you'd have to have 7. to do that, on the Richter scale and there's, but you know er, who controls that data, who controls all the seismo's around the world or can certainly funnel the information through a central place er, certainly not the man on the street. So the weather was predicted by the Zetas erm. you know er, odd tides, increasing albinoism in the wild animals, or, or animals er, increasing illness was the biggie, they said people will take increasingly sick. there will be germs that will be opportunistic and are moving because of the change in climate er, that are really not that new manufactured germ that just new to an area. People's immune systems will be less resistant, we had a whole military base come down strep-throat, we've had cruise ships where everybody has stomach flu er, repeatedly in the news. So there, there's a lot of things that Zetatalk has been highly accurate about er, and, and also the exact place where the spot in the sky where its coming in is one of the most dramatic. So its been Zetatalk and when anybody else says I have an opinion will you please post it I've said I'm sorry this is Zetatalk not Georgetalk you know or Nancytalk either unless it specifically says Nancy will tell you her experience, you know uhmm, and over to you John.
John: Well that's interesting because erm, one would expect some kind of distortion amongst the stars if its a brown dwarf, because its very gravimetric pull, but I must say that indeed, in the last years the weather has, in Canada has gone really warm, there's no more snow. We don't get any snow no more here and I just heard that the global warming situation is pretty drastic. Above that your normal news media doesn't want to talk about it normally, but its happening and I got inside sources that erm, with media people that tell me the facts about it so its interesting what's going on right now on Earth, especially heating up and the rings around the sun which I've personally seen.
Nancy: Yes indeed and erm, when people say well if an extra planet came into our solar system and was moving through ah well you know we would all die, the world would explode, I mean they have all these notions, but you know we pass all the time, was it May 5th 2000 all the planets lined up in a row and it was predicted by somebody that this was going to cause all kinds of things to happen, a pole shift or whatever, nothing happened. We, planets pass each other all the time and it. its not devastating. This guy is four times the diameter, twenty three times the mass it doesn't really cause problems of, of a cataclysmic nature until it actually stands between the Earth and the Sun or, or, pretty much dominates the scene and then its a magnetic thing, If you take two magnets and put them side by side and pull them close together the smaller one is going to want to align somehow to the bigger, want its south pole to the north pole or some such, but if you keep them at a distance their fields aren't in conflict if there's a reason not to move, like maybe because there's friction on the table top. In the correct case of the solar system you have a rotating planet, if its got its magma moving around and around erm, there's reasons that rotation direction and er, it, it, it wants to stick with the status quo for a lot of reasons so it resists, but when that magnetic erm, connection is made Earth fails in, in the dominance game. Planet X is more massive, its a larger magnet and it moves us in space which is the Hapgood theory of crust movement, which Einstein said is the best explanation for ice ages and the wandering poles that, that he er, heard of. Over to you John.
John: Ok, well yes those magnetic south poles theory that seem to deviate quite a bit erm, that's been known for quite a long time, but er, the warming effect is very noticeable, I've been noticing since about 1995 the drastic changes up her in Vancouver Canada the weather patterns turning more into basically like one season now I understand around the world there's all kinds of dramatic things happening, with floods of the Danube River and er, tornados and rain storms, flooding all kinds of dramatic things. Well that part I understand is happening and there's solid evidence there, but its interesting how the information came to you that there's a brown dwarf because you get into er, the power of something like that, that a lot of power and the size you indicate be quite a massive er, body coming this way, which would cause a bit of distortion. I would think at least anyway er, if you're viewing in that area the distortion of starlight being moved around a little bit?
Nancy: Oh well it is and, and, and I've heard from numerable people, now don't, I haven't gone out and said the sun rises at my neighbours roof at the chimney, at this time of year, one of those, but I've heard from people that its rising and setting too far North erm, I've heard that people say that the Moon does not seem to be rising and setting where it aught to like its maybe moved its orbit a little bit to accommodate some gravity influence in the area. Light rays bend erm, we had one situation about a month ago where it seemed to stay alight for two hours after sundown, all of a sudden it was erm, going dark, which was what I would call normal, be half an hour, forty five minutes after sundown. I mean, and people have been reporting these kinds of anomalies all the time. It seems that, in addition you said that halo's around the moon, halo's around the sun, strange effects er, light bends, and er, there's a lot of er, arguments about that among scientists or at least I get a lot of flack. If you stand in water your feet don't look like they're, they're where they're supposed to be. You send it through a prism now you have a erm, rainbow. Obviously light is not you know, erm ah, like a nail that you hammer through, when it comes through in one direction. It is subject to being bent, then it can be bent inside the atmosphere, it can be bent by pulling toward gravity, or so the Zetas say er, and er, and, and therefore erm, and also by a gravity repulsion force something that's a tenant of Zetatalk that explains why planets seem to bobble around and always stay at arms length from each other, why we don't rush into the sun erm and er, it is, its erm.... yes there are a lot of signs like that that make you go hummm as some people say over to you John.
John: Very interesting. I've been noticing for quite a number of years we also have black clouds that form in the middle of the sky and that kind of thing, I just thought I'd pass that onto you. It's becoming more noticeable with the weather changes that are happening now and some people will argue that its erm, all the pollution in the air that's catching up to us all erm, others may indicate that its some kind of planetary force or some other type of influence of some type but when monitoring the solar flux index for quite a while and seems to be quite, well put it this way, quite spiky. So its intriguing, so erm, you have any comments on all this Jason? It would be interesting to hear all your comments.
Jason: Errrr, alrighty, sure I've got some comments.
Lou: Hum, hum, hum. (Chuckling.)
Jason: Yea, alright, each time Nancy starts she erm, seems to be mentioning, I've noticed three times now, to look at the photo's on the web site, go look at the photo's for yourself and make up your own decision. Well I, I concur with that because er, you know I can continually have looked at these photo's and I've not seen anything and er, you know it raises the question that the predicted date was May 15th yet nothing ever happened. It's two months now, its been supposedly I guess it is up there based on the web cam pics on the site that er, its sitting up next to the sun. Well that's been going on for nearly two months so I don't know if its you know somehow gone invisible, remained stationary up there, but er, I still, my opinion is, I do not see anything. Erm, now some of these images, you know again showing planet X er, I have, I have yet to see anything other than pixels in some of these images that are circled to be planet X or you know lens flares as I mentioned, but er, you know the big point here is that the weather, you guy's were touching on the weather now I'm not a weather expert, I've lived in Calafornia for you know almost twenty years now and er, you know I surf so I'm somewhat familiar with tides and er, er as far as the weather goes you know I live in Los Angeles now and I tell you the weather's beautiful. I go to work every day its sunny out, 75 a little hotter right now because its summer but, you know its beautiful outside. So you know for me I don't really see anything on a global scale happening in a quickening sense that would lead us to this idea of some dramatic change. There is no sequence of events taking place now that I can tell that are on some quick time table within the next, let's say our next lifetime that's going to cause er, global changes that will make it you know impossible for us to live on this planet. Now I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion. I see no changes to merit that type of worry. There is a global warming, there does seem to be pockets of our atmosphere that are deteriorating, in certain spots, why that is they're still debating it, but to be able to connect even that to a planet X you know we're still trying to figure it out if there is a planet X or where it is let alone to say what the effects of this planet will be and again Nancy stated a lot of information to the size and description of this planet and that's coming from the Zetas, So based on their track record of saying "Oh its coming May 15th, oh scratch that June 1st ah, one really must start to question that, I mean if you were a believer of this whole idea.....
John: I'm believing what I see with my own eyes here. I spent a lot of time down in Los Angeles too and there and during a filming crew there er, I was with they were talking about this unusual stuff that was going across the LA skyline.
Jason: Smog yea.
John: Well they were multi-colored things and they were debating whether there was jet screw or something. Up here though I've been noticing changes for quite a time, quite a time and er, reports keep coming in from around the world from the Kyoto Accord and some journalists I talked to, what they say is that erm, that was two years ago, now that in ten years it'll be too late to reverse the effects of all the global warming, that's what I'm told, but from my own personal observations I know that the weather here has changed dramatically since 1995.
Lou: Well, well what I, what I want to do, I think we all have an idea where everybody is coming from.
Jason: Er, I still got some more comments.
Lou: I'm going to get to that. What I, what I want to do is, after, after you go ahead and keep your, going to keep up with your comments Ok, I want to have Nancy channel the Zetas and I want John to talk to the Zetas.
John: Oh.
Nancy: Alright now they are very frank. They don't use swear words but they are full on.
Lou: Not right now I want Jason to continue.
Nancy: Yea. I'm just warning you.
Lou: Alright.
Nancy: They're not politically correct.
Lou: That's fine. Go ahead Jason.
Jason: The comment that I'm going to make, we'll touch onto this, I'd love to hear Nancy talk, the fact is the whole idea of this knowledge of a twelfth planet that has a thirty six hundred year orbit came from one man the work of Zecharia Sitchin and was the first proponent to state the Sumerian culture which is basically the modern day Iraq, a thousand year old culture er, had knowledge of not only the planets we have in our solar system, which we've now proven to be true, but another planet which they called the twelfth planet and er, you know that, that research has been spread all around the world and er, you know is still being debated by scholars today. The, the point being is that scholars a hundred to hundred and fifty years ago which found all these cylinder seals and artefacts speaking in Sumerian and when they talked about Niberu or these beings that lived on this planet its a mythology, they didn't know how to classify it and they threw it all in a big pile called the myth pile. Zecharia Sitchin was one of the first scholars to come out and say as a professional linguist to analyse this myth pile as well as all the other artefacts which they have now proven that they had a extensive knowledge of maths, science astronomy even, here was one of the first scholars, and one of the very few to go into the myth pile and say, he's authenticated everything else they say now let;s look at their myths, were they really myths or did they really happen. So the only scholar again, and we can touch more into Sitchin's research, to say that there is a planet X, or excuse me Niberu, ancient knowledge of a planet X, came from Sitchin and he clearly states that you know, 2003 has nothing to do with the return of planet X. In fact based on his evidence, if you read the "Twelfth Planet" by Zecharia Sitchin which was published in 76 and his current book "The lost book of Enki" published in 2002, you get a much deeper idea in the understanding of the basis for this whole twelfth planet information and where the real true answer would lie to the suposed return. Currently Sitchin puts it at 2885, but has not publicly said in a book or on the air what that will be. But however if you would like me to play a clip, I do have in Sitchin's own wordsm right here off hand, that planet X has nothing to do with 2003.
John: Hmmm, interesting.
Jason: Can I play that?
Lou: Sure.
Jason: Alright here we go.
Sitchen: <Inaudible>.....planet of the crossing, and er, all the speculation when, when er, <inaudible> into our vicinity and now I understand that there is some speculation er, not, not coming from me, I must stress it again and again <inaudible> won't be 2003 <inaudible> Niberu will not be back in 2003.
Jason: That should sound familiar Lou because of course that was from your own show.
Lou: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
John: Can I sort of interject a little bit there? I find it curious on one thing......
Jason: I thought it was to. loud too.
John: Oh good heavens, ah but I was just curious about Immanuel Velikovsky work and also that there's references to erm, museums around the world have er, basements un-categorised items such as those little bars that are so old that there's minerals growing around them, That intrigues me. I hear reports of this maybe either one of you, maybe Nancy or yourself can enlighten me as to what that means erm, have you ever seen such artefacts?
Nancy: I personally have not but you took the words out of my mouth I was going to say that I believe that Velikovsky predated er, not to undermine er, Zecharia's work at all, but the Velikovsky in the 50's was recording through many different scientific studies done by many, not just himself of this periodsy of thirty six hundred, thirty five hundred for instance er, about, thirty six hundred years ago I'm adding the fifty years since the 1950's erm, the oceans of the world dropped sixteen to twenty feet all around the world, the course of the Niagara ran a different course erm, and, and er, yadi, yadi, I think "Earth in Upheaval" is a highly recommended book it will drop, drop your jaw. So erm, er, Zecharia has an opinion. Everbody has an opinion. That doesn't mean that er, that he's talking about his analysis of dates and the like erm, he's studying the ancient Sumerians everybody else is looking at erm, the sky and the signs and saying woe! A huge exodus was the last time that we had a passage erm, approximately 1628 before Christ as the best they can cipher, because record keeping went to heck at that time but Potsdam University did find there was a slight change in the Earth's access at that time er, and a huge volcanic explosion that for some reason all the Jewish slaves walked away from their Egyptian masters, lame, little old ladies, toddlers alike left. They were so distracted and what about all that, the Red Sea, just why is it called the Red Sea? and the red dust they report and er, and the like. So there's evidence that that was the last pole shift and in fact that was about thirty six hundred years ago from today. So I'm not forgetting Lou that you asked for the Zetas opinion on something.
John: Hmmmmm.
Lou: Well I'd like to have John go ahead and er, erm, speak with the Zetas.
Nancy: Yea, Ok.
John: Ok, let me talk to them.
Nancy: Well er, what it is is they can respond to your question. There, there's a rule of none-interference, they're not just supposed to come in and say this is what we want to say to John, they respond to questions or its call for call. That's why we don't have mass landings and people gobbling up people and er, taking over the planet or whatever, because there are rules really they're not, this is our school house, its a self learning school house, you got to ask what you want to know. What do you want to know?
John: Ok, I'll ask, I'll ask them erm, Ok in 1998 I had a journalist from Janes defence weekly who mentioned to me that the oceans of the world have risen seven inches and they don't know why it rose that much.
Nancy: And you want to know why?
John: I'm rather curious.
Nancy: Yea, in 1998 did you say?
John: Yes.
Nancy: I recall that was, er we have that on our web site also as a, here's Zetatalk, erm, Indeed er, rather underreported er, phenomenon did hit the media to a small degree and erm, quickly became one of those subjects not to be reported ohh, even though planet X was outside what you would call the inner solar system, outside of Pluto's orbit erm, it has an effect on all the planets in the solar system, warmed up Europa, warmed up the erm, core of Mars to some degree as has been noted er, on occasion, How could this be at such a distance er, they are er, so much more in the realm of particle flows and interaction in the universe than man is aware of. He is barely aware of a percentage of a percentage of a percentage er, and, and thinks he knows all er, but we describe this in attempting to relay this concept to humanity as a spider web er, and the planets like bugs within the web caught er, and er, and here comes the spider at the very edge of the web, just barely touching, those vibrations are felt everywhere uhmm, if you disturb one flow uhmmm, it has repercussions er, elsewhere, but the bottom line is, is that the core of the Earth began swirling in slightly different directions erm, and and er, friction increased er, heat is a particle flow that goes on the move when it gets bumped and returns erm, and er, and it just got on the move more so swelled up into the erm, rock strata under the oceans, warmed not only the water but the rock strata itself swelled a bit, why would it not, everything that gets warm swells a bit and er, er, with the heat particles bumping around and pushing things out er, so, so this is the explanation for why the polar caps and the glaciers have melted from underneath and the oceans were warming from the bottom erm, very heavily repressed piece of information because it countered the er, standard er, establishment statement about why the weather was weird, global warming. ER, its not coming from the top down irs coming from the bottom up and this is the end of Zetatalk.
John: <missing audio> heard, can understand that because there's expansion that's quite plausible and logical.
Lou: Alright, Jason your thoughts?
Jason: Er, well let's see on Zetatalk or.....
Lou: What she, what she was just saying.
Jason: As far as what she was just saying, you know being able to decipher Zetatalk or Nancytalk, it, its a little difficult I mean she sounds the exact same as she is when she's talking to us. So how do I know its the Zetas telling us this information? That would be my opinion on it, but you know some of the other stuff we were talking about earlier, or she was commenting on, Sitchin vs Nancy's information, I mean yea Sitchin has an opinion just as Nancy has an opinion, but who's information are you willing to trust? Erm, you know again, channelling information from an alien source, I don't have a problem with that if it can be ah, you know <inaudible> test or someone did, sound pretty funny, or interesting I should say, not funny, nut er asking Zetatalk to do a simple math equation couldn't happen.
Lou: That was me.
Jason: Ah, you know and some of the questions that have been posed, I even posed a question to Zetatalk, in like 97 when I first was on the air with "Sightings" Ah, sorry you know can't do that. So for me, you know again is it Zetatalk or is it Nancytalk and she mentioned this Jewish exodus was the last time planet X came around. Is she a scholar in ancient Sumetic languages, who, who who are you sighting Nancy as far as some one to collaborate, or corroborate I should say, the fact that planet X caused the Jewish exodus and when in fact did that occur, That's something that's still not proven. You know thirty six hundred year orbit, that, that's from the Sumerian information, specifically translated by Sitchin and so the only question I'd like to ask is where's planet X now? I mean if its been up by the sun for the past two months, I still don't see it, where is it now and do you dare pose another date for when its going to happen because, my final comment on this would be, erm, the letter I have posted on my site, the response was er, you know be on the coast in a couple of weeks and see what happens to you. Well I think on that day that you had predicted for me to die, because planet X was going to be passing, I was surfing on the beach in Malabo and it was a beautiful day. So where is planet X now and do you dare give us another date?
Nancy: Ok, are you over to me now Jason? Is it Ok, ah, well I would like to state that the May 15th date, who believed that? The Homeland security. They caused, called Toppleoff, they had a hundred agencies involved and, and er, after we wemt on Lou Gentile on the 16th and announced with great specificity the dates the following week they went to level orange for no reason, they had no er, cause to do that. So erm, we er, er, we are not going to be giving a date and the Zetas said in November of 2001 er, on the Zetatalk site it was stated if a date is given it will be misused to entrap and enslave people and not, so they levelled the playing field by refusing a date to Homeland security or the Indonesian government, or the Russian elite, or Euro's or whomever who might want to misuse that information. Er, and I would like to state, you ask is Sitchin the only authority, oh no. What about the book of Exodus in the bible, what about the Egyptian papyrus? Velikovsky points out that there's a match between those. they are both describing the same phenomenon, the hails, the red dust, the earthquakes and the object in the sky. That, and the fact that rotation stopped ah, Velikovsky recorded this very carefully that Egypt gets the long day and he said on the other side of the world on the west coast the Indians report the long night. So erm, the, there are bodies of research other than Zecharia Sitchin, whom I have great respect for who address this issue. And er, sorry Lou if I jumped in out of turn.
Lou: No that's fine, Jason.
Jason: Er, my only comment would be that er, you know show me the money, show me the research. Where, where are these sources of information that being sited that prove or that have been translated by someone who is scholarly of opinion. I can state people like Zecharia Sitchin. People like Dr Harrington, even though he's now deceased, but the data can be referenced, sourced through academic and scientific means, not being channel, channelled excuse me.
John: Can I ask you a question Jason?
Jason: Sure.
John: What do you think of people who have high intuition?
Jason: Well I just met a psychic on a dating service actually and her names Roberta.
John: Hmmmm.
Jason: She's a really cool person, ha, ha, ha. Turns out the er, you know, I'm dating and I post my picture I find someone who's actually er, say's she's more powerful than John Edwards. I don't know if that's the type of person you'd be talking about?
John: No this is people like perhaps.....
Jason: I guess she, <inaudible> as she claims to be and said some stuff to me in our phone conversation and I was like Ok, you're tripping me out.
John: Ok Jason yea. Ni I was just curious what your opinion was.....
Jason: Ok my opinion, I am extremely open minded, and you know what I'd like to learn how to do some stuff.
John: Because personally myself, I'm not calling myself gifted, I didn't attend high school <inaudible> I did some things that seemed to amaze myself, you know...
Jason: That's cool.
John: ...but I was just curious to have met, have met very gifted people that have great intuition that can do muscle testing to a person find diseases and make recommendations.
Jason: Well people are very intriguing.
John: I just thought I'd throw that in your arena there Jason.
Jason: Another thing to mull over.
John: Another thing to mull over, ha, ha.
Jason: So Lou back to you man.
Lou: Well, you know I think that the biggest thing here is that er, you know the information that Nancy is channelling. I think that you know the biggest, and I've told Nancy this on the air, off the air she knows how I feel about planet X. I think the biggest cop-out, even with psychics is that there's no proof. It's very rare to get proof from a psychic, but as far as the Zetas are concerned I don't see any proof that, you know you're going to say something's going to happen on a certain day its going to happen, regardless of what predictions and what not, is that that's going to get confusing. I think people either want to hear a prediction of something that's going to happen or maybe its not a prediction, maybe the Zetas have er, I don't know, perhaps some supreme future telling whatever, but I think that's what people are after. They're not after, they don't want to hear about you know the trees and the flowers falling and this is going to happen with clouds, lightening storms and all that other stuff here, what's going to happen on a certain date that's going to prove the Zetas are real, because if not I think you probably not already lost 60% of the people that were following along with you with these last couple of dates. And I think everybody would agree that, you know by not even passing a simple mathematical test these Zetas have absolutely no credibility. What are your thoughts.
Nancy: Me Nancy?
Lou: Yes you Nancy.
Nancy: Well as I mentioned last time I was on erm, I would have to get up, you know I have to be on the same page and its easy for me to make a mistake with maths because I'm not a <inaudible> idiot that does maths quickly in my head erm, and concepts are relayed to me by the Zetas and I put English words to it, I tend to be more a mechanical literary person rather than a mathematical person. So, and that doesn't prove a thing all you've done is move that question down the line or sideways to well, I'm not convinced let's try this and then it becomes a side show. So erm, if, if you're looking for evidence that the Zetas, there has to be an element of doubt also, there's an issue where they do not want alarm people by being so accurate, you don't see space ships hovering over the White House and, and lining up in the sky and forming the word planet X or something either because people will go nuts, they would, fear would be engendered, this is not something that they encourage as spiritual caring about each other it frightens people run out of the burning building and trample each other and children and the like. So they're not interested in scaring people to death, there is supposed to be an element of doubt about all of this er, and people are encouraged to look at the sun and folklore and prophesy and er, the like. Be aware of what is coming ah, it happens pretty quickly but by the time this planet gets a grip on us magnetically and slows our rotation to a stop which folklore attests to you've got a few days and that's it and boom! Now you've got a lot of Earthquakes and bridges, people can't ravel very readily, they don't know what's happening, they don't know which way to run, they run in the wrong direction. Zetatalk is trying to relay a warning about how, what, what sequence of events is going to happen you would be surprised how many people all around the world are aware this. If not from Zetatalk from perhaps their local prophecy's which almost every native culture in the world has, prophecy's and folklore related to this.....
Lou: Nancy I got to stop you right there we got to take a quick break so everybody hang on the line and we're going to take a short break be back about six after and talk about planet X, the planet X debate 2003 with Jason Martell, Nancy Lieder and our Guest moderator John Kenneth Hutchinson.....
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