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Jason Martell Vs Nancy Lieder
Lou: <Usual Intro> Nancy didn't mean to cut you off but had to take that break.
Nancy: That's alright.
Lou: However I just with, with, Jason what seems to be your biggest problem with Nancy's presentation of planet X and everybody else because I'm sure that there are other people involved with the research of planet X.
Jason: Yea, yea, here's my answer, I have more comments to make outside of your question, but to answer that I'd say my biggest problem would be web cam pics that are claiming to be planet X. The only thing I'm going to say is you know what, Nancy has every right to post anything she wants on Zetatalk and say I think these are pictures of planet X because that's her opinion and she's allowed to do that where I do have a problem, you said the thing that bugs me the most is that all the information that's being tied into the planet X there is substantiated information which I will discuss to show that there is possibly a planet X. However information in my opinion coming from Zetatalk is polluting that data. So that's my biggest gripe.
Lou: Ok, so in other words disinformation is that what you'd call it?
Jason: Well, you know Lou that's a really hard thing to classify because again, its one lady with one web site daring her opinion, or she might put it channelled information.
Lou: Ok.
Jason: Why all these people are believing it is probably somewhat to the part of all the information to suggest there is a planet X, both ancient and modern the evidence is very intriguing for someone who does their homework. My gripe again is, the information posed by Zetatalk would be polluting the data that's currently out there of legitimate resource.
Lou: Ok. Nancy real quick, what, what is your thoughts on that?
Nancy: Er well Jason seems to think that NASA and JPL, which he keeps quoting, would never tell a lie, you know if he gets an e-mail from somebody saying none such or conversation that's got to be it erm, and, and my statement is er, I mean there's a lot of erm, discussion on the internet about how NASA is caught airbrushing photo's, they won't, they won't release the pictures of the face on Mars, they're very restrictive about what they give out of Hubble, there's a lot of information to say er, that they're not being forthcoming and, and planet X is appearing on the SOHO, we have this folks in the photo section just not web cams and people's personal digitised cameras and the like go look at what happens it, its caught in the SOHO and, and, erm, and, and how it winds up with what's going on with the photo's that people are taking and submitting and not all web cams. Please do look at this, this is very informative, very easy to download, not, not a big deal erm, and, and take a look at it come to your own conclusions. This is, how can you pollute the discussion if NASA and JPL don't want you knowing about this you know then, then all discussions are saying if you are like a blind man feeling around the elephant and trying to say what is it, we don't have the information that they do with our tax payers dollars we have to do what we can to determine if something is coming at us and going to impact us, So to say that somebody should not present all these facts and prior Earth changes and current Earth changes all of that and say this is a pattern that seems to be showing please be aware and look for yourself and stay aware and come to your own conclusions, this is what we've always said erm, how can that be a problem and that's it? Over to you Lou.
Lou: Nancy do you think that the government knows this thing is coming or not?
Nancy: Oh no question.
Lou: Ok, let me ask you this then. I live about thirty miles away from a military establishment, sits in the middle of the woods, I happen to know what its there for, however there has been no scrambling of anything there has been nothing out of the ordinary going on there, and it basically can be monitored by any human being who drives down the road and decides to stop in front of it. My question is, how come we're not seeing the government or the military or any, any drastic changes in, in society if this is, if this is inbound. I mean you should see something, surely the government and, and the military are not going to just sit back and say well this thing is inbound let's not do anything. They're going to start digging holes or tunnels doing something and you'd see some kind of commotion.
Nancy: Yes and actually that was, we have an interesting commotion the week of er, June 7th to 11th, not that I noticed this, but other people did erm, and there was er, intense amount of gossip on the godlikeproductions message board and an awful lot of people chipping in with reports, it's called "Elite Exodus" there's a link up there with the photo's like please do take that, and read that. Fascinating, it looks like Denver, they moved a whole bunch of F16's up there erm, Greenbrier in the Ozarks they, er, er the National Forests there er, and er, somebody in Tennessee reported that their husband <missing audio> was going into the foothills to create bunkers, the people were reporting from Vancouver up into around Manning, Alberta, please do read that and there was movement because apparently the government from their analysis of where this thing is leaked the word to the elite that it looked like it was going to be right around June 11th, they better go to their safe places, well they were wrong and erm, and, and everybody came back but just to say the government is aware doesn't mean that every single civil servant knows. This is kind of like classified, withheld and only certain people knowing erm, at the top level er, probably very wealthy people know er, that, that are banks, or Rockefeller family, something like that, but not broadly known, although I've had you know, people give kind of clues so that the information disseminates out but anybody who say's anything is clamped down pretty hard and I Harrington in New Zealand is an example of what can happen if you speak too freely.
Lou: Ok let me go to Jason. Jason what are your thoughts on what I just said?
Jason: Ah, good time to cut in there. Yes actually can I make a comment to Nancy really quickly?
Lou: Sure.
Jason: Ah, you know I'm going to touch on what she just said about Harrington, but one thing I would like to know, you know er, I don't know if this is in her defence or not, but again you know people like Steve Neil and Whitley Striber and other people who have claimed to have experience, you know contact with the Zetas if you will, this race of beings that look like the grey aliens, however you want to classify them, you know one thing that has repeatedly been noted and that I have at least took interest is the fact that many of the abductees who report these contact experiences also claim to have similar experiences, and have similar things, excuse me, similar thoughts planted into their head. One of them being the Armageddon scenario, of cities being wiped out, people dying, of fire, something falling from the sky, that stuff and I've seen these things first hand, again from my close friendship with a few individuals, who have claimed to have had these experiences, but again, you know I haven't seen aliens, all I can do is take their word for it, but one of those people, which I referred to is Steve Neil, being an accomplished Hollywood effects artist, has able to use his skills as a CGI computer graphic animator to re-enact many of the things that he has seen and experienced and for me, you know I thought they were very compelling and so the only thing I would say to Nancy is maybe perhaps these same scenario's being played out in her mind, if she is in fact....
Nancy: I hear your voice. I know what you're saying, How do you know that you're really not, that someone didn't airbrush that picture and that, you know and etc, and your not some sort of a robot synthesising my voice, you know.....
Lou: Ah, I had a web cam up for the last two years, but you know.
Nancy: Not much difference.
Lou: Hearsay, Jason any thoughts?
Jason: Hold on a sec... Yea, erm, I would say er, you know Nancy has her point you know, but er, she mentioned go look at the website, go look at the information that's been translated by her I guess then to Zetatalk and she say's that its full of accuracies, the information validates itself. Well I would say go read the information, go read the Nancy, I mean the Zeta talk you know and er, make up your own conclusions if this information is valid and again as she's stressed four times now look at the pictures for yourself, look at the catadiotic lens effect showing the little black dot in the sun, the interesting artefact, or the beautiful lens flares, or scenery of the ocean and see if you see a planet X. Analyse the weather and see if you feel any dramatic changes or earthquakes happening erm, talk to your friends and family and see if they're in agreement that things are, you know something is about to happen. There aren't any changes going on at such a dramatic level to, like you had said, that the military would be making, you know changes, things, people would be going underground or all of a sudden streets would be empty, and you'd be going "Hummm something must be going on." Nothing like that is happening and you know for her to say, no excuse me, for you say Nancy the military industrial complex is covering this up or is aware and you know making things go from you know yellow to orange. On May 15th there was an MSNBC article called "Planet X Operation" that was taking place in Iraq, on May 15th right? They had some kind of whatever operation to go and infiltrate this guy's place and kill this guy or something, I don't remember the details, the point is they called this Operation Planet X. Just so happened to be on May 15th. Now I thought that was intriguing I thought Wow! Is there something going on here? But then I realised you know what everyone listens to Coast to Coast. Everyone listens to Art Bell, no offence Lou.
Lou: Yea I appreciate that.
Jason: And there are a lot of people in the military, which I can personally confirm from my own personal friendships, people in Germany and a couple in of other spots, that you know what, they listen to Internet feeds like there's no tomorrow and so you don't think that people don't know about planet X, hear about Zetatalk, or hear about ufo's and, its funny how much more people are interested in late night talk show radio and are listening to information that for them is their own independent analysis of what, what's really going on in the world. So you know to say that you know things are being, things are happening because of Zetatalk, I don't know what the deal is, all I know is this, is that you know the information posed through Nancy Lieder as Zetatalk and, and however you want to classify it my opinion is its polluting the real data that does exist. The work of Dr Harrington, through the work of extra solar activity that of current satellites, SURTIF, the wide angle infra red wide angle, you know the wide angle whatever array I mentioned. There's a lot of current data plus Sitchin's data, stuff like that coming from the ancient sources that does have legitimate sources, you can investigate and make your own conclusions. Nancy Lieder's information is being channelled and exists on one site and one site alone. So I would say show me the proof, you know ley's see these physicists from France, let's see these imaging specialists stand forward, if you've got the backing Nancy and have your information proven because, as far as I'm concerned, you're, you're the boy who cried wolf, er, the girl who cried wolf, because I've been following this for a long time and er, I made my stance very clear when i started to realise the legitimacy as far as my opinion of your information. Back over to you Lou.
Lou: I like this everybody is like, "Back to you Lou." Ha, ha, ha. You guys are great, alright erm, well as far as disinformation is concerned Nancy's well aware there are certain people out there that say that she works for NASA. She is a disinformation magnet for NASA or whatever you want to call it, I don't know. Nancy, are you, do you, have you ever worked with NASA. Are you a disinformation.
Jason: Thank you for asking that too on the show.
Nancy: Oh heaven's no, I've been, this has come up before. I think this is completely ludicrous erm, rumour that was started, I won't mention the names of the two individuals that started it, but, but what's so silly about this is its clear that NASA does not want this information out there, you know they, they're saying erm, they make every effort to say oh no, no, no nothing there and lean on observatories to make sure that they stay in line and don't let people go and peek there with their equipment. We have this documented. If you go into 2001 and find out what people had to go through, the first sighting was done in France then thereafter in Flagstaff Vancouver, scaffolding was put in the way, people weren't supposed to turn the telescope and they got admissions from one who was a Vice President of the Royal Astronomical Society something like that in Canada, they know about this planet and look at it all the time, they're just not supposed to talk about it. I've known this for years. Astronomers who work at observatories will tell you privately off the record that they know and they're watching and they're monitoring but boy they won't, I mean they don't want to become a Harrington, they're not ready to get into a coffin yet. So no I don't, because erm, because they don't want you to know this, they don't want you to think about it. They want to be distracted by <inaudible> Peterson, or in Iraq or whoever's getting bashed on TV recently, or just, just anything but the facts, what, what we should really worry about er, and so why on Earth would they have someone out there announcing information that they're distressingly trying to keep from the public view at all. I mean that's a contradiction and it doesn't make any sense erm?
Lou: Well Nancy let me ask you this, because we got to get ready to start taking calls and I got to get John moving along. Erm, real quick, you know if I was to ask you how many moons are around the planet Earth, naturally because you would you would tell me one, right?
Nancy: I would say to my knowledge one, ha, ha, ha.
Lou: Ok, now if I was to ask you how many moons are around Jupiter, or around whatever other planet would you know, I mean.....
Nancy: No.
Lou: .....are the Zetas going to tell you this?
Nancy: You see, the problem with this is like saying Zetatalk must be real because we we ask real specific information, what colour are the socks I have on, you know and if I and, and then erm, and this is not, in the first place there has to be an element of doubt so anything that......
Lou: Why?
Nancy: .....really, really precise like that.....
Lou: Why does there have to be an element of doubt.
Nancy: Because erm, you are not supposed to freak out and get scared. People get scared erm, er, Pat Robinson of the 700 Club recommended that anyone who talks to aliens should be stoned. They, they're frightened, many people are frightened of the idea of somebody coming from another world and the government has made them so because people are told ahhh, you know the movies, they're coming to colonise us, and eat us look at the most recent movie "Signs" you know about how they're going to come down an shoot poison at you and run off, horrible you know its like think about aliens and you've got to be afraid. So erm, they, they, fear is not something that they wish to ramp up. They find that the message in fact about the alien presence and the coming cataclysms work best in an aura of pseudo-science, in other words science fiction is one of the best ways to get that message across. If Zetatalk has an element of doubt about it it is better received, people listen to it and say hummmm, they don't run screaming and go insane, denial is something that if you're faced with something you don't, you build up a brick wall faster, if its something you aren't forced to face, there's an element of doubt you mull it over in the back of your mind and then therefore you deal with it better and, and this is something they've addressed repeatedly in Zetatalk is psychology.
Lou: Ok, John any ending thoughts before I got to let you go?
John: Erm, I'm actually erm, quite impressed by learning a lot from Jason and Nancy on this whole issue and it seems to, I go back in memory and the documentation I have on many, cross the board stuff on PSI research from the DOD and, yea you know I've got boxes of this stuff with the military myself I can sense both sides approach on this and er, very impressive, very impressive Nancy and Jason.
Nancy: Thank you John and I always say if we're going to have a debate the public should learn a great deal and the best debates are where there are a lot of different issues that are floated about and discussed and the public walks away saying wow to I picked up a lot of info snd they can mull it over and I think we've done that tonight.
Lou: Yea.
John: I think so, I think it was a really hot show and I've learned quite a bit from you Jason, and from you Nancy, I really appreciate that.
Nancy: Thank you.
Jason: Yea , hey thanks for you know getting in there and sitting between us I guess.
John: Well trying to, <inaudible> but its been fun.
Lou: Thanks John it was a real pleasure and I'll be speaking to you er, very shortly and er......
John: Ok.
Lou: ...its always a pleasure, my favourite scientist, John Kenneth Hutchinson.
John: All you great folk have a great evening.
Nancy: Good night.
Jason: Bye, bye.
Lou: Alright guys, now we're going to, going to start getting into the nitty gritty with the callers.
Nancy: Great.
Lou: This is lovely, you're going to love this, this is going to be interesting. Alright we're taking your calls now <usual phone details> Anyway erm, Jason, erm as far as what Nancy had stated right before John left, what were your comments.
Jason: Right, well just a couple of comments really erm you know again she mentioned some references to Vancouver and France and telescopes, seeing some stuff that they were closed down or whatever, you know if this information is coming out again, you know someone must form an hypothesis and then other researchers need to validate that information. So when we get speculative claims this sounds more like Mark Hazlewood kind of information, where its like "There's telescopes that are being covered up and there's information not being" you know these all promote fear and sound interesting and intriguing, but again one must look at the data and something must be confirmed, you know I mean, not, not to state there aren't cover-ups, that all the information is being released but if anyone really wants an answer to a question you ask the right people, you go to the source. You can pick up a phone, you can walk into an agency, don't be scared your, you know, they're just human beings, most people are not going to have the classified information that you're going to interact with. You're allowed to go and ask professionals this information and get your answers. Now again there are classified topics, but if you ask enough questions to the right people you can logically deduce your own answers and so as Nancy has pointed out I would leave it up to the users to make up their own minds, but you need to check your sources, you need to verify your facts that's my opinion, because I've seen a lot of doomsday scenarios, a lot of information, May 5th, Hale Bopp, Planet X, this that, there's a lot of information out there and it unfortunately requires one to wade through a vast amount of information and decipher what is valid and what is not. My only comment based off what Nancy had just said, course the key word that caught my attention was Harrington in New Zealand> I've studied the information as far as the Harrington subject, Dr Harrington was the lead astronomer for the United States Naval Observatory for NASA in Washington er, back in the early 90's, late 80's, early 90's. He died in a car accident, that is true, now the circumstances of where he was, what he was doing are not verified OK. For all I know he was killed in California. There is no, there is no source on that and I've spoken to a couple of people, you know at NASA and er, Dr Harrington existence unfortunately really is somewhat of an anomalous thing, it is hard to get data on him. However his data does exist in the Harvard Abstracts, having to do with astronomical data and there are hundreds of pages that show mathematical equations and calculations as to where he thought, Dr Harrington, lead astronomer for the United States Naval Observatory, in the early 90's thought that where planet X would be and you know as amazing as his data was he even did an open camera interview with Sitchin, the proponent of Neberu, this thirty six hundred year idea, Sitchin and Harrington at NASA talking about planet X both collaborating each other's data going hummmm, Sumerian calculation look somewhat accurate, hummm this is my idea at what a 12th or a 10th planet, depending on what your view, ancient or modern, would be. So Dr Harrington's influence on the information is intriguing but being able to confirm what he knew, unfortunately modern astronomy does not corroborate or go on the idea that some planet that is now causing influence on the inner solar system er, Uranus. Pluto, Neptune, some of the outer planets have a type of a wobble being exerted on them which researchers like Dr Harrington thought there must be a big planet out there. We still have not found that planet people, we are still looking. The latest advances in extra solar planet imaging has to do with like SIRTF, the Space Infra Red Telescope Facility launching in a month, you know that's our latest science people, the latest thing launching in 2003 that's going to be looking for surprise, surprise brown dwarfs and extra solar planets, or possibly other planets that could have you know suns that could have planets around them like ours. So I would really encourage people to stay abreast of the latest technology going on in the space industry and if you're interested in topics like planet X or you know other threats coming in from space, well you know what use the internet, its beautiful you can look up all the latest sources of information that you know the NEAT project, any Earth threatening object that could be being possibly tracked by amateurs, all of this is available to the public. Keeping in mind there is classified data, maybe they do know more than us, but any possible threats to us be rest assured that we can in my opinion the amateur community is well off in being to detect any inbound threat to us. Back over to you Lou:
Lou: Alright, erm, I'll give you a chance to er, to comment on that Nancy, I want to.....
Nancy: I just want to briefly say people should trust their own eyes and watch the skies, this will not be something that will not sneak up on them. They'll see it in the sky er, if they're on the right side of the globe, rotation will slow dramatically, red dust, I mean you will know. So erm, er, this is what people should start looking for and trust their own eyes because frankly the government is not to be trusted, over to you Lou.
Lou: Ok, alright let's take a call. You're on the Lou Gentile show, your name and where you're calling from?...... Hello?
Caller #1: Hello....
Lou: Yes you're on the air, you're name and where you're calling from?
Caller #1: Yea hi there, I had a comment about planet X. I mean I think we've all kind of lived through this, these different dates, you know May 15th then its June 1st and now its going to be kind of indefinite. We've seen these pictures on Nancy's website so obviously er, lens flares, or doctored photo's, or completely normal photography phenomenon, I mean you kind of put all the evidence together and use your common sense, this just isn't happening.
Jason: Ok no comment from Jason.
Nancy: No comment from Nancy. Erm, everybody's entitled to their own opinion I encourage the public to go look for themselves. Some people are afraid to deal with it, some people er, will when it falls on their heads say its not there and, and other people are asked to call in say just what this guy said and I have no comment. People should judge for themselves.
Lou: Ok,
Jason: And caller your opinion again is?
Caller #1: When you put everything together, I mean I think Nancy is absolutely right in one thing, you do have to decide for yourself. You have to look at all the scientific evidence, the objective evidence that's going on, photography, er, astronomy the telescopes that are out there, I mean she's putting things on her website there like "rivalling the sun in brightness." Come on like the Earth, and she's also saying its slowing down by several minutes and speeding back up again, slowing back down again and the sunset is late again on this date, if you think about it really for two seconds its just ridiculous. I think people should just move on.
Lou: Ok, thanks for calling.
Jason: Thanks for the call.
Caller #1: Thanks.
Lou: <phone numbers and web sites> You're on the Lou Gentile show, what's your name and where you calling from?.... You're on the air.
Caller #2: Oh, Ok, ,inaudible> Am I on now?
Lou: You're on now.
Caller #2: This is Sharon from er, Arizona and er, I think I, Jason is just a little bit wet behind the ears, or ah, a little naive to think he can trust the government and NASA is an extension of the government and er, I've seen it you know and I didn't hear about Nancy until December of last year and I've been preparing for this since 2001 and every time she has <inaudible> has been demonstrated coming on full bore now and I suggest that people do use your own eyes. Use your own intuition and don't depend on any government sources.
Nancy: Sharon you say you saw it, personal observation?
Caller #2: Yes, oh yes.....
Nancy: Can you describe it?
Caller #2: ......in fact at night even the moon, I've watched the moon change orbit.
Nancy: Can you describe what you saw when you saw planet X?
Caller #2: I can see it on the horizon er, very obviously if you can, if you can bare to look, but I've had to hold a shade up to even try and look, but I've seen a shadow cast from it, I've seen it over the horizon as I've mentioned erm, I've see the er, the er, the red which is huge, and I've had the red dust on my car erm, just all the signs that you pointed to er, there they are, you know if one opens their eyes then looks for themselves, thinks for themselves they won't be disappointed or they will be depending on how they look at it.
Jason: And er, Caller this is Jason speaking, my question would be er, so when do you see the culmination of events, <cough> excuse me, taking place, where you going to need to er, prepare at a more drastic level and go and hide? Do you see these changes taking place within a week, two weeks, five years?
Caller #2: I see it in our immediate future.
Jason: Our immediate future? Are you basing it on Zetatalk or some other source of information other than Zetatalk?
Caller #2: You say you're on the coast, LA, I used to live in Malabo myself and I got the hell out of there boy.
Jason: You know that's funny I just moved here.
Caller #2: Er, that erm, the, the answer unfolding and er, I think you're sitting in LA and you're probably quite used to the quakes, I got fairly used to it myself, you're not over in the mid-west <inaudible> and down the south-east and just because it isn't effecting you at this moment I just say, you know, heads up and you know if you a little circumspect there you might catch a few of these signs yourself. I don't think it takes an open mind I just think it takes open eyes.
Jason: Ok, I er, you know rest assured that I er, my eyes are open and I am looking.
Caller #2: <inaudible> I worked for man, many years you know what you see isn't always what you get so.
Jason: This is true and as far as the government involvement my only last thing would be, as I stated earlier, NASA to me means Never A Straight Answer, I never said trust the government, that's the best source of information. <inaudible crossover conversations>
Caller #2: I think the USG has the task over a year and a half ago because they were deleting entry's from the er, from their base, the data base, they were dropping over a hundred quakes at a time and they were saying oh it might have been a noise and that, so this has been going on way before I ever heard of Nancy so <inaudible crossover conversation>
Lou: Ok.
Caller #2: Thanks very much.
Lou: <phone numbers> Ahmm, Nancy do you see the Zetas giving any new information whatsoever about planet X any time soon?
Nancy: On the date? You know erm, they have stated that it zooms in and then when it gets between the Earth and the Sun its, they use the term "floating" moving slowly but it does have now momentum and, and you can tell like for instance on er, July er, 10th pictures that I'm suggesting people go into the photo section and look erm, there's a comparison between June 23rd cat cam and er, and one July 9th, you can see the increase in brightness it looks almost twice as bright the sun on, on setting, apples to apples. I do encourage people to look at that. It, its clearly coming at us, coming closer. It came around the sun from the right hand side its moving to come between us and it doesn't get of, erm it, it, it crosses over the ecliptic and takes off about 14million miles, so its, what is it, about one quarter of the way to the sun, between the Earth and sun. It can't be that long it seems like its poking and taking forever, but erm, I would have to say this summer. Do you want to ask the Zetas Lou?
Lou: We'' see, Its going to be the end of the show.
Nancy: Ok.
Lou: Let's get some callers in here. You're on the Lou Gentile show who am I speaking with and where you calling from?
Caller #3: Hi this is <inaudible> from Manchester, Pennsylvania.
Lou: Ok, dear.....
Caller #3: I really enjoy your show, thanks for taking the call.
Lou: Thanks.
Caller #3: I've visited the Zetatalk site and its nonsense. There's pictures of lens flares, there are you know, there are tables of the planet speeding up and slowing down, sunrises early, sunrises are late, none of this is happening and I have a question for Nancy. When you're talking about the Zetas don't want to be too accurate because they're going to inspire panic, when you're talking about millions of people dying, because that's what we're talking about, and that's not supposed to inspire panic? So it's, its unbelievable I mean what some people want to believe. If the er, government knows, with the er, signs.
Nancy: Er, we, well, yes indeed, and er, millions of people are effected er, and, and our concern is those who can survive, who wish to survive, who perhaps have young children. It's a straight poop, er, and, and in a manner that they can absorb it and understand it. When you're talking about, you know about here's what will happen in general to the world erm, people erm, er, don't, don't react the same as they, as they have absolute proof. If you have an alien manifest in front of you and you could smell it and feel it and, and, and it was undeniable to you that's a lot different than the abstract possibility that the alien presence is true and people say "oh its a mass sighting of a mothership and look on this film it looks like they're," I mean that's debatable to you so you, you don't panic the same way as you would if it walks through the door and shook your hand, or your hand shook its tentacle or whatever.
Caller #3: What I can see for myself and you have shown nothing that solidly proves anything that you're talking about. You said the government knows, that they're shutting down er, astronomy viewing, you can't get into different telescopes to look at things, but why would they be fooled by the "little white lie" of this date the Zetas have given out if the government knows where it is? They certainly would know.
Nancy: At the time the date was floated it wasn't a white lie, we have shortly after May 15th, from day one, and the Zetatalk accuracy was always something that er, the had me crow about, I bragged about it like crazy and therefore the government said, believed that shortly after May 15th that was going to be it. So then....
Caller #3: If they knew where it is, then why, they know when its coming.
Nancy: The government? The government is, is watching this, they can't turn the Hubble at the sun because it burns the mirrors out so they have the space station, some probes or observatories, it is something that is shrouded in a dust cloud which er, the ancients taking about, this why we have the red sunsets, because the red dust from that tail ahs been blown by the solar wind around into our atmosphere already....
Caller #3: If the government has already seen this coming for years it has not always been coming from behind the sun.
Nancy: <over the top of caller #3 comments> It, it is coming from the direction of Orion and, and half the year it is basically, we have to look into the daylight to see that constellation and the other half of the year we look in the night sky or, or when its dark.
Caller #3: There are astronomers all over the world, its not bright all over the world at the same time. If its daylight here then its dark on half the planet where they have the ability to view these things,
Nancy: But when it, its dark, when its night time where you are, if you try to say where is Orion you can't find it, you have to wait until during the day and Orion is over there. So therefore you can't see Orion.
Caller #3: Knowing where the stars are, the stars stay put. I can tell you where Orion is even though I can't see it.
Nancy: Right, and its coming from that direction so basically its in the daylight and pretty close to the sun which is what makes it difficult for some people to discern it.
Caller #3: But it hasn't been close to the sun for the years it's been, that is been approaching.
Nancy: This is right, and when we have a late er, fall to the early spring viewing season then we have CCD images of it, people went to their observatories and took infra red images, or did observations to the best of their ability.
Caller #3: So then again, if the government and certain select elite people know how this thing is moving, allegedly, and when, where its position is, then you can tell when its going to arrive. Hence they would not have been fooled by the "little white lie."
Nancy: Er, the reason they're having difficulty with this is because of it speeds up and slows, it sped into the solar system, faster than they expected it too, it was argued that planets don't move that fast when it got into......
Caller #3: <inaudible over Nancy's comments>
Nancy: .... the crowded area it slowed down planet X does not have an explanation.
Lou: One at a time, one at a time guy's. One at a time. When somebody hears the other person they've got to bin down, because it sounds like er, messages from Mars...
Caller #3: I'm sorry.
Lou: That's Ok. If it is not following any natural motion, now its claimed that this planet speeds up, slows down and its not predictable at all.
Nancy: To humans, to human astrophysics. They don't have erm, maths for that, they say planets, they, it, its outside of their understanding, I mean of how bodies behave. So its acting unpredictable to them and they're not sure just, you know when its going to make a passage and when its going to slow down, or speed up and the like.
Caller #3: How many other planets, other bodies behave unpredictably?......
Nancy: <interrupting and drowning out caller #3> Recently they have discovered and there have been articles and I have, do have that on my web site erm, what they call "wandering planets" that just seem to be out there putsing along not orbiting a sun erm, but this is. So they have discovered those types of things, but basically we know very little about how the universe functions.
Jason: May, may I comment really quickly, please? My only quick comment would be that think what the callers trying to say and I, I just maybe I'm wrong, my opinion would be that I'm in agreement with the caller in saying that show me the proof. And I'll leave it at that.
Caller #3: Yes thank you very much, Jason. Show me the proof. Show me something other than lens flares, and you know, third or fourth or fifth generation information that you can't verify.
Lou: Alright dear I got to go to a break.
Caller #3: Ok, thank you very much for having me.
Lou: Thanks for the call dear. Alright we're going to go to a break be back in about five or seven minutes. <usual talk out>
<missing segment>
Caller #4: .....which I find most intriguing and in fact I think there was something erm, on there was a comparison in June 2002 and June 2003, something to do with and I'm not scientific, but I do understand I a little bit about magnets, I do understand it, if they're in the vicinity of each other they're going to, they're going to you know have an impact one way or the other and, and the point I'm making is the difference between one year and those erm, graphs that you showed on your site erm, one had to do with er, I believe er, the pole, the polar north and two other lines in this graph erm, you can explain it better than I, erm, but the difference, there is a calm 2002 and now everything is very erratic, all the er, poler are...
Nancy: Oh yes the magnets are going nuts, there was one day when erm, er, they was, ahh, you could compare what was going on with the HARP system up there in Alaska there erm, and, and a year earlier what it looked like it was quite dramatic it wasn't even going up and down the swings, ever, every measurement there in the HARP system erm, or device was, was at odds with itself. It was just chaotic magnetism on that particular day, yea.
Lou: Alright, let's er, lets go to another call. You're on Lou Gentile show, who am I speaking with?
Caller #5: Erm Margaret.
Lou: Yes Margaret?
Caller #5: I just want to ask Nancy a question.
Lou: Can you kust speak up a little bit.
Caller #5: Yea I just wanted to ask Nancy a question.
Lou: Go ahead.
Caller #5: You want me to tell you?
Lou: Oh, she's here.
Nancy: I can hear.
Caller #5: Oh, ha, ha, ha, sorry about that, erm, could you explain the, the, white lie thing to me?
Nancy: Yes, the white lie. It was back in 1995 when the Zetas first said erm, shortly after May15th. They anticipated that the powers that be, the elite, people in political power in Russia, United States er, the banking system, which is often accused of running the word, and the like, would not tell people, but would make their own plans erm, and, and they wanted to like trip them up, have them stumble down the stairs so that everybody could see that, what they were up to and, and spill the beans in front of the world and this is what happened and, because of er, of Homeland Security's mustering forth with operation Topoff on May 12 and then, then I was on Lou Gentile May 16th and they gave all these precise dates even though they had said they were never going to give precise dates on, in Nov of 2001, nevertheless they did and then Homeland Security went to level Orange and rode there for two weeks and everyone was saying "why are we at level orange, what, what's the reason?" Erm, so they showed their hand, they showed that they would not inform people 1. 2 that they would erm, try to rush up to er, the marshal law level, because the next level above level Orange is Red and they can order you to stay in your homes and, and like, so that those two things were demonstrated in a way that words could not. We could tell you don't trust your government they're not going to let you know, but you would say "yea, yea," but we showed you that. That's what the white lie was. They've now got it on a level playing field those people who, would trap you in your homes and not let you get to safe locations, they're not going to know ant sooner than you are. You watch the sign, you watch the sky, you watch for rotation slowing and the like. You will know this as soon as they know and that's fair.
Lou: Alright, thanks for the call dear. <phone numbers> erm, Jason any comments over those last two calls?
Jason: Yea, You know <sigh> I would say that, again, people's fascination is going to rely mostly on the anomaly that Nancy continues to talk about and promote this idea even though the white lies, the blue lies, the red lies, the lens flares, everything at points in the direction at least logically that there's nothing there, that nothing's going on, as far as a planet X. Now again, seriously here's the thing you kept asking what the pain in my side over my main gripe is that this is deluding the information of the fact that there could be actual Earth bound threats of asteroid, or there is actual information both from ancient records and from, you know the latest scientific research to suggest extra solar planets, or that possibly one was part of our solar system, but using channelled alien information from one lady who's giving her opinions, as far as we can substantiate, I haven't met any of these aliens, Zetas or none of them are coming forth and speaking for themselves, we see no physical data, you know, you need to look for the stuff logically and for me my <inaudible> lies in where it is, You know, the information is intriguing when the topic of planet X is mentioned to me, but unfortunately there's this big pain in my side called Zetatalk. It's polluting the data, you know that was actually first pronounced by scholars such a Zecharia Sitchin and Dr Harrington from NASA, this idea of an extra solar 10th planet within our solar system, but nothing, again in my opinion, nothing has anything to do with 2003, or let alone Zetatalk, telling us "oh let's expand upon Sitchin's theory and say its going to happen tomorrow."
Lou: Jason let me ask you this question you can decline if you want.
Jason: Shoot.
Lou: Would you be willing to talk to the Zetas?
Jason: You know Lou, I'm glad you bring that up. I, I, I honestly again, reiterating what I first started off saying, I get passionate about this topic because it is of great interest to me. I have nothing against you, Nancy. I've never met her and for all I know, even up till now, she still seems like, you know, a pretty cool person for what I can ascertain, I've never met her, but I don't agree with her information and you know I don't know what to say other than I would be more than willing, I would love to see er, you know a grey alien, or meet these people. Have them appear right now, show me something. I mean I've got Steve Neil's art work sitting right here in my living room staring at me, what's up guy's? I see the little guy's sitting in their artwork. I've never seen anything, yet, so logically prove to me that er, you know Zetatalk is, is really talking to these beings. Prove it to me. If its no big deal here I am on the air with you Nancy and I asked you a long time ago, you know give me some real information, prove to me at least that what you're saying is legitimate and maybe then, maybe then I would say wow, she has something that's intriguing, because I've studied everything that you've ever presented and er, I'm frankly not impressed.
Lou: Would you be willing to talk to them now?
Jason: Yea.
Lou: Nancy you want to do it?
Nancy: Sure, what's you're question Jason?
Lou: We got about four minutes.
Jason: Actually I, I don't have a question anymore. There is no, no response that I could be looking for other than legitimacy. Show me them, have them come here right now, let me see one of them right now. Have them appear in front of me or something. Or have them appear in front of Lou.
Nancy: Well we wouldn't want to drive you nuts or have.....
Jason: You wouldn't drive me nuts <inaudible cross talk between Nancy and Jason> At some point in my life I can make that decision and yea I'd probably freak out, but you know what? I'd be willing to deal with that, he, he, he.
Nancy: So you say. I wanted to point out, real quickly, that the people who called in and said "I'm watching the quakes, I'm watching the sky, I noticed the red dust I think about these, they're not relying on someone else to tell them what the truth is. They're not relying on Zetatalk either. They are looking for themselves and this is far better than relying on NASA, or, or universities or any other controlled avenue of information to tell you when your life is going to be in danger. So continue, take a clue from some of these callers who are looking for themselves, that's what you should be doing.
Jason: Well I agree with you on that one point Nancy. My only, my only big gripe is the fact again that you know the boy who cried wolf and all this information that I been studying for all these various, these vast, I'm telling you, there is nothing, in my opinion again to say 2003 has anything to do with planet X or Niberu as Sitchin has stated a thirty six hundred year orbit, I've seen no data that you've presented except for a bunch of web cam pics and again even if that wasn't a lens flare or something up there its been up there for two months, hanging by the sun.
Lou: Ok before this goes any further I've only got a couple of minutes left.
Jason: Yea, again I'm just stating my actual opinions, I could just get in with those last callers, but I have nothing against Nancy, I just strongly disagree with her information. It's just one lady's opinion, which she is more than welcome to state, just like I'm doing mine.
Lou: Ok, ahhh, as far as the Zetas do you have anything you want to ask the Zetas?
Jason: When am I going to meet you guy's?
Nancy: Their talk is saying er, you are not giving the call to us, you are not asking us to meet you, you are stating that you are but erm, your call is not what we would term Service To Other call, it is concerned about erm, your, your personal career ahh, and, and, and your posture, therefore you have given calls to others, not ourselves and it is unlikely that you will be meeting us for that reason. Read the orientations section of Zetatalk guy's to find, and the call to find what's that all about.
Jason: Good enough. Thank you at least, finally after what seven years she actually gave me my first, what she calls, Zeattalk. So thank you. I will mull that over.
Lou: Ha, ha, ha.
Jason: I'm serious, thank you.
Lou: Guy's its been fun, its been great.
<Usual goodnight and goodbyes>
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