From: "John Frick <byrd65@h...>" <byrd65@h...>
Date: Mon Feb 10, 2003  7:12 am
Subject: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

I have written a very important letter to Nancy Lieder, and I attempted to send it to her from the Zetatalk web site about a week or so ago, but I do not think it went though. I think it is important for her to get this message as well as anyone else that follows the messages of otherworldly or extradimensional prophets. Hopefully Nancy reads this board from time to time.

 

Here is my letter to Nancy:

 

Hi nancy, I am writing to you because I have VERY important information to tell you on the nature of the experiences you are now having. I've heard you on Coast to Coast twice, and at one time I leaned towards thinking you were a nut, but I no longer think that. There is something that Author, John Keel called "the tiger behind the door prophecy", and I am certain that this is what you are now experiencing. Over and over again throughout history, channeled beings have brought their prophecies to humans, and most of their
prophecies were correct. However, the big prophecy that told of something so terrible that it would effect all mankind would never come to be (over and over again people are plagued by these same series of events). If you want to know more about this, read chapter 14 of John Keel's book, Operation Trojan Horse, particularly the part of the chapter a few pages in titled "the world ended last night". Keel tells of many cases similar to yours where
extraterrestrial or extradimensional beings made all kinds of prophecies to many different people that came true, but in the end the people would be made fools of, sitting around in bunkers, or waiting to be picked up by aliens (Keel was similarly made a fool of on a smaller scale). I am totally convinced that you (and many of the human race) are being manipulated by these beings, so you owe it to yourself to look into this situation before May comes and no Planet X comes rolling around. In all likelyhood, if you buy what
the "Zetans" are telling you now, you'll likely buy the excuse they give you in May when Planet X doesn't arrive; and there will be an excuse. It may be too late to keep yourself from looking follish at this point, but you'll be digging yourself deeper in if you believe the excuse that the Zetas will cook up when Planet X does not appear.

 

I truly hope you find this useful, and avoid being destroyed mentally by these beings (many have been). John Keel avoided total disaster by not allowing himself to grab onto a single point of reference when trying to interpret what these beings wanted, and who they were. John Keel is the most well studied and experienced of all UFO searchers that ever were. I would take his words seriously.

------o------

From: Tristan Faulkner <everything_tristan@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 10, 2003  7:35 pm
Subject: Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

I'm sure Nancy has entertained your advice but the fact is, the Z's has made many predictions and have an incredible track record. Nobody has even come close to what Nancy has achieved. To think that she is deluded may help you stomach what makes you uneasy but those of us who have followed Zetatalk from the start know different. Have you even seen the results of the Z's track record? If not, follow this link and educate yourself.

 

http://zetatalk.com/theword/tword232.htm

 

To not entertain these facts and not prepare, is to hurt only yourself and possibly, the ones you love.

Tristan Faulkner

------o------

From:  "Michael <txyall@y...>" <txyall@y...>
Date: Mon Feb 10, 2003  10:10 pm
Subject:  Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

It's interesting how people are willing to except the words of someone with no
track record in order to delude themselves into thinking everything will be
alright. I've been following UFO information for as long as I remember, and
I've never even heard of John Keel; but supposedly he's the most studied and
experienced. You have provided zero information/track record that would
provide any credence to his words. Also, if you read Zetatalk at all, you
would know that this is why you haven't heard from Nancy. She does waste time on those who make claims and have no track record.

[It's interesting how the TT membership is willing to take the word of Nancy who has no proven track record either except for an awful lot of speculation and rumor provided by that same TT membership.]

------o------

From: "John Frick <byrd65@h...>" <byrd65@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003  7:23 am
Subject: Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

I've seen the track record and it's very impressive. I already stated that these beings have the ability to predict the future. I am not a skeptic by any stretch of the imagination. These beings have made a lot of successful predictions in the past to other contactees, which convinced those people and their followers that the main prediction was infallable. This has probably occured
thousands of times in this century alone. I never said that Nancy is deluded, just that she is being tricked by very clever beings.

 

Also, this subject does not make me uneasy. I believe that the human race faces a collapse into a primitive society that could happen at any time, by any number of means. This doesn't bother me because I am unafraid of death. Having Planet X come rolling around would be one of the better ways this could happen if for no other reason, seeing a planet a quarter the size of the moon in the sky would be pretty darned exciting. Unless this thing is in some other dimension, it's just not coming.

 

I can't wait to hear what the Zetans excuse will be. No doubt the paranormal monsters that create these events will have something clever cooked up to feed Nancy and her followers. Unfortunately the pattern will continue and Nancy will just be considered a certified nut job by most, instead of the true situation of her being the innocent and quite sane dupe of extradimensional beings. And then they'll move on to some other poor soul waiting to be deceived.

 

Just remember what I am saying now when the excuses are given.

------o------

From: "Michael <txyall@y...>" <txyall@y...>
Date:  Tue Feb 11, 2003  7:01 pm
Subject: Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

--- In tt-social@yahoogroups.com, "John Frick <byrd65@h...>"
wrote: Joh Keel, no track record? Come on! you say that to Whitley Strieber, Stanton Friedman or Bud Hopkins, and any one of those guys would bust a gut laughing.<<

 

Just because YOU believe that John Keel is an expert on UFO's and because
he made one prediction back in 1967 does not equate to the track record of
Nancy and the Zetas. You aren't the first, and won't be the last to claim that
you know what's really going on, and Nancy's a nut job that needs to listen to
your opinion of what is the truth. However, just because you feel this way
does not make it the truth. However, you are entitled to your opinion, as am
I. It's obvious that you don't believe in the premise behind troubled times or
Zetatalk. So, just unsubscribe and start a John Keel group. We'll see what
happens in a couple of months. The date and purpose of Zetatalk has never
changed. I'm prepared for what happens either way.

------o------

From: "John Frick <byrd65@h...>" <byrd65@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 12, 2003  4:14 am
Subject: Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

If it's going to be a quarter the size of a full moon by May, it should at least appear to the naked eye about as bright as any star in Orion the Hunter by now. I think it would be all over the news if it were. If the media is all ignoring it (because the government might want to cover this up), then tell me where to look, because I would like to see it. I mean that. I love astronomy, and to see a new planet with the naked eye would be pretty exciting.

------o------

 

 From:  "Joseph" <inanna@e...>
Date: Fri Feb 14, 2003  1:51 am
Subject: Re: An open letter to Nancy Lieder

 

Why do u assume that PX should be seen by the naked eye by now? It is NOT a star with a bright and intense point of light. It is a planet, giving off a
diffuse and dull glow. (take note diffuse and dull). At the distance it is at
right now, farther away from Pluto, tell me, what does your common sense tell you? If we cant even see the giant planets Uranus and Neptune, and Pluto with the naked eye, and Px is still beyond Pluto, can u still assume that it should be seen by the naked eye by now? It can be seen by the naked eye once it reaches the orbit of Saturn in April, quite sensibly, as Saturn is the only outermost planet we can see with the naked eye. Oh and by the way, Px's speed increases exponentially as it approaches the outer fringes of the solar system, not at all constant as implied in your
reasoning.