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From:
"Mike O'Hara" <ppplanet@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 1:27 am
Subject:
Another late sunset
Where I live in Northeast Pennsylvania, USA, I recorded "full darkness"
by
9:17 tonight (Sunday, June 1), compared to 9:10 last Wednesday and 8:35
the week before. Allowing for longer days as we approach June 21st (the
so-called longest day of the year), my subjective observations indicate
a possible rotation slowdown over the past two weeks of some three minutes
per day on the average.
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From:
"Dan Johnston" <d19s59j@m...>
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 3:15 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Another late sunset
Mike-->>my subjective observations indicate a possible rotation slowdown
over the past two weeks of some three minutes per day on the average.<<
"Subjective" is the key word here. If the rotation did indeed slow by
*any*
amount, the scientific community would be in a tizzy and it would be all
over the news.
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From:
"dana_mix" <dana_mix@y...>
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 3:47 am
Subject:
Re: Another late sunset
Objective measurements preclude that. Your predicted times can be
found here http://aa.usno.navy.mil/ I suggest checking the transit
times of the Sun, by the observations of shadows.
Such a slowdown would be extremely obvious to a very large number of
skywatchers.
best,
Dana
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From:
solkra@a...
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 6:03 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Another late sunset
I agree , there is something strange with suns pattern. Good job
pennsylvania, and you won't ever be "notified" by anybody, seeing as the
media is most
govt monitored... vermont.
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From:
"dana_mix" <dana_mix@y...>
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 9:12 am
Subject: Re: Another late sunset
Exactly what is strange? And what objective measurements have you
made? Hav you read the posts MC and I, among others, have made on
the subject? Skywatchers would know, and they could not be censored.
Best,
Dana
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From:
solkra@a...
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
Hey dana, several people have wondered about it appearing to hold for a
moment around 2:00 every afternoon. Do you know where the atlantic ridge
is at that
time, in reference to the sun? It has just spun past the sun. Is it
possible,
if you open your mind some, that X held for that moment, then when
released,
it can almost catch up, from momentum? For the moment. But as this
person
from pensylvania stated, not quite. But for you and michael to make it
yourgoal
to debunk a lot of understandable concern, main concern, that our govt
won't come out and address this with credible evidence, undoctored pictures,
all of us
"nuts" that you and mike are trying to help with your amateur science
equipment are not finding solace... solon.
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From:
jw <jw@w...>
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 3:16 pm
Subject:
Re: [tt-watch] Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
The only problem with that is if the sun did stall at 2:00 pm in north
america, it would have delayed the sunset somewhere in western russia,
and we probably would have heard about that from many of the members
from that area.
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From:
"sts060" <sts060@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
If the Earth was suddenly held up or suddenly released, that would be
like everything on the ground running coming to a sudden stop at
hundreds of miles per hour (fastest at the equator, decreasing to zero
at the poles). Have you seen a high-speed car wreck? Do you think we
might have noticed such an effect over most of the inhabited areas of
Earth? The acceleration/deceleration effects would still be tremendously
damaging even if it happened over hours. There is a tremendous amount
of rotational inertia to the oceans and land masses. Such a
stop/restart would have been noticed... by the survivors. It *has
not* happened.
Even supposing, for the sake of argument, that the laws of inertia
were suspended for the entire Earth, such a hitch would completely
bollix the ephemerides for *every* Earth-orbiting satellite. Every
GPS unit, most long-range television, radio, and phone signal, every
Earth-imaging satellite would become quite useless. Do you really
think the government could cover up
such an event?
This isn't about debunking. It's about testing a hypothesis and
finding it badly wanting. If you observe that the Sun seems to be
lingering oddly for a few moments, but such lingering must necessarily
cause immediate global catastrophe, which is the simplest explanation:
(a) everything about physics and astronomy is wrong
(b) the government somehow managed to cover it all up
(c) your observation is wrong
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From:
"xpain2" <solkra@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 2, 2003 7:54 pm
Subject:
Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "sts060" <sts060@y...> wrote:
Even supposing, for the sake of argument, that the laws of inertia were suspended for the entire Earth, such a hitch would completely bollix the ephemerides for *every* Earth-orbiting satellite. Every GPS unit, most long-range television, radio, and phone signal, every Earth-imaging satellite would become quite useless. Do you really think the government could cover up such an event?
<
I'll tell you what might screwup your ephemerides and a few other
things, would be if this earth were to do a full poleshift while
cruising at 1100 mph and had to all of a sudden stop and start
spinning the other way. That equals to about 2200 mph turnaround. We
live with a false sense of security, when truth is we're on a ball
floating around in a very fast traveling universe where
half is even
understood, how it all maintains itself. Newton talked of the moon,
weighing trillions of tons, but traveling at the speed of a jet, but
being too close to operate with the same principals as the sun,(to
hold it at bay from us.) Of course something could go wrong in our
system, and satellites have been having problems, we were warned on
news the other night to expect some cell-phone and television
etc..Did'nt SOHO just dive into the sun, noone can explain why. I
believe i would rather earth stop, then shift. Obviously it will
happen gradually as X gets closer, like applying brakes to a car.
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From: "Jamie Eckles" <jamieeckles@h...>
Date:
Mon Jun 2, 2003 11:59 pm
Subject: Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
Soho is still in postision and doing well. And my cell phone has
not has the slightest bit of trouble, ever.
Jamie
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From:
Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 5, 2003 2:59 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Another late sunset-Dana.
At 01:08 PM 6/4/2003 +0000, you
wrote:
Good for you jamie, i was talking on mine the other day and just
lost contact, without normal poor signal static. So you see how we
all have different views?--- Carry-on, debunkers...solon.
What is there left to "debunk"? PX has failed to show at the appointed
time. No tidal wave wiped out Los Angeles, New York, or any other
city on the face of the earth. PX has yet to be seen by any one with
any experience in astronomy.
The government won't weigh in on this since they could care less.If you're waiting for an explanation from some sort of agency, you'll
be waiting a long time.
Michael
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