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Jan - the new debunker (Part Two)
"By pretending Nancy made up these ZetaTalk messages herself you are clearly out of line, seriously damaging the ZetaTalk message. Step down, or get lost! "
"Any employee,
officer in an organization etc. going for another person like you are
with Nancy on the Hazelton issue shows a clear lack of loyalty to the
organization and a clear lack of understanding how to work within an
organization. Such discussion NEVER belong to the public room, they are
to be kept internal. Your wording has been unprofessional and clear
personal attacks. I think you are making this
too easy. I see no need to call for your dismissal, as it will be a
given unless you step down and behave like any officer of an
organization should." (Nov 2001) In reply to Sol incident
Continuing the saga, after Jan's post Nancy arrived and attacked his comments. Obviously not best pleased with her young Padaone.
From: "nancylieder"
<zetatalk@z...> [But there is no Planet X Nancy, prediction failed.] This all happened. [No it hasn't.] They described in 1995 the weather changes, quake uptick, and consistent coverup to be expected. [And so have the conservationists, scientists and other various concerned groups, but none of them mention Planet X or Zetas.] The red dust is now upon us, the photos from around the world showing without question the arrival of Planet X, and the matching appearance on SOHO images leaving any question moot. [What Red dust? Where is it reported? Show us one credible source.] Does this show ZetaTalk Accuracy? I think it does.
[And I think it does not.]
[Yes.] What was said in Nov 2001, that NO date would be given because the establishment would use it to entrap and enslave the populace. [Now where in Nov 2001 did she make this statement exactly? I can't find it. Although one must ask that if no date were to be given as from Nov 2001 why did Nancy then release a set of indicator dates early in 2003? Sort of contradicts what she is now claiming she already knew two years previously.] What happened? Operation TOPOFF on May 12 and after a date of May 20 was given on the Lou Gentile hour on May 16, Homeland security promptly went to level Orange and held there for two weeks, for NO reason other than ZetaTalk. [A solitary US engagement that should have concluded with bridges blown up and populous imprisoned, as the elite did not know the Zetas were lying about their date. That's if we are to believe the Zetas "Great White Lie."] Did this show ZetaTalk accuracy? You bet it did. [No it did not. It did piss off a lot of your followers and believers though.]
The information WAS used to attempt to enslave and entrap the
populace, and the coverup rock firm. [Oh dear now its finally Jan's turn to feel her wrath. (I could care less.) But this is pretty tame stuff compared to Nancy's usual attacks. Maybe she'll get better once she begins to stew on it a bit.]
Now that we
have the photos, the SOHO, bearing out that the inbound Planet X complex
being imaged in the Fall of 2002 which grew LARGER during the imaging
season and BECAME the objects being photographed today, we can look at
Jan's accuracy last Fall. Quote:
[SOHO pictures? Wish she'd
make up her mind. First they're using SOHO to cover-up and doctor
images, then it's supposed to have been disabled so no one can see
Planet X and now she's using its images to confirm her delusion.] [I guess she means Jan.] ------o------
From:
"Jan" <anybody@a...> [This is rich, Jan always uses the "personal" angle, yet if one examines his own words carefully you will see he attacks personally but very indirectly. Check out his original post on this thread that sparked the attack. You'll see he's having a go directly at Nancy but in a very clever and sly way.]
However, I fail to see what's wrong with my
sci.astro posting of November 5 last year.
Maybe you did not understand it? [Scared she might bite your arse or that the membership might turn against you? I know where my money is going.] Contrary to your style, I do not believe in advertising our differences to the world, nor do I ever need to go personal, as I always let the facts speak for themselves.
[Not personal? He's just
posted a personal opinion that Nancy and the Zetas are more or less
rubbish, told Nancy she doesn't listen, that she lies and "limelights"
and none of that is personal? See how he works?] [There it is again. Note how he pushes the word "lie?"] As I've been suspicious of the imaging and sightings for a while, I did no drastic, irreversible moves in May, nor did I wait out the pole shift in a trench. [Personal with sarcasm now, deliberately ridiculing Nancy's prediction by resorting to inference of her own words.] I have however received e-mails from people that had relocated, waiting for the pole shift in their tents or vehicles, having to re-start their normal lives after the failed predictions. Whether one is to accept the premise of a White Lie staged by the Zetas or not, I cannot accept fooling people the way it was done, nor the current attempts to drag it out week by week.
[Once again "fooling" is
another twist on the word lie.] [Again this is rich as many have been banned by Jan for pointing out this very fact to the tt-membership. Yet he does it with impunity.] The ZetaTalk "What's New - Signs of the Times" and "Slowing Rotation Countdown" pages contains highly speculative, non-confirmed information of such a low quality and credibility that it seems a deliberate attempt to discredit ZetaTalk completely once and for all. Contrary to your claims, there is no observable rotation slowdown, there is no second sun (if observed or imaged correctly), there is no red dust etc. While most people had problems relating to the imaging claims, they can just look outside and see for themselves that these claims are not correct.
[Again how many have been
banned and moderated only recently for saying as much. Yet here he
stands "Head" moderator of the tt-groups pontificating and arguing with
Nancy, could anyone else do that?]
[This is in reference to the
other TT-INC officers now moderating on the groups. Apart from clamping
down on free speech they have said little of their own belief.]
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http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gillbanks/hazelwoodsaga2.htm
Nov 2001:
"I
would say that the main problems here are: That one of the TT officers
are showing such lack of understanding in the main ZetaTalk message on
STO and STS behavior, and That said TT officer attacks another TT
officer & VP in public. In any ordinary organization, I would call for
an immediate dismissal of that officer from any duties
within the organization. This not being an
ordinary organization, and our message being one of education (not only
on the Pole Shift, but more so on the Awakening), I would hope this TT
Officer immediately brings forward a public excuse to Nancy, and
refrains from any such postings in the future."
http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gillbanks/hazelwoodsaga3.htm
"By
pretending Nancy made up these ZetaTalk messages herself you are clearly
out of line, seriously damaging the ZetaTalk message. Step down, or get
lost! "
http://website.lineone.net/~brian_gillbanks/tttakeover1.htm
"Lately, we have had Laura
McDonald calling JosX a disruptor because he questioned the Posse, and
stating that she's "Glad you're here Michael" to our infamous disruptor.
A few months ago she also got into a heated debate on TT Watch about STO
or STS, implants etc. where she clearly showed she did not understand
the TT premises." ------o------
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