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“Jan's
proposal was to do away with the tt-posse concept and let the Troubled
Times, Inc. Board of Directors moderate the list. I think that is the
best
option.”
Milly
Gumper
With
Laura now effectively removed from the "posse" and Sol
similarly forced from the lists George resigned from his tt-duties,
already disillusioned with the Zeta emissary like so many of us. Shortly
after setting up his own “Zetastro” group for open science based
discussion on the fabled 12th planet.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9292
From:
"Gantner, George" <George.Gantner@m...>
Date:
Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:20 pm
Subject:
Resignation
I
apologize in advance for cross posting this lengthy message.
It is with regret that I feel I must take the following actions:
Effective immediately, I resign from the Posse.
Effective immediately, I resign from the Membership Committee of
Troubled Times, of which I have been the only active member for well
over a year. I have been maintaining the Inc Membership and Prospect
lists all that time, including the most recent additions of 3/6/2002 and
I have uploaded them to the tt-inc files section. Hopefully somebody
will take over the maintenance of those lists.
These lists and the Inc have been deteriorating for quite a while. Since
Ron Darby and Sol were driven out, the Inc has been underachieving on
projects and has been completely without recruiting efforts. The funding
promised when Ron was gone has not materialized; at least, not as far as
anyone outside the board knows, since there has been no annual report
for 2001 yet. On the side of the lists, the content has also
deteriorated over time. The tt-forum list has very little activity. The
tt-watch list has
been lively, but mostly not for the right reasons.
Though I have had increasing doubts about this whole organization for
some time, and especially about the increasingly unbelievable
pronouncements of the Zetas, I have done my best to do my part to
maintain an open and informative discussion through my moderation
efforts. However, the bogus votecall to reconstruct the posse was the
last straw for me and is the reason I am resigning my official posts.
First of all, as I said, I have been maintaining the official list of tt-inc
members and content contributors, based on Nancy's input from her web
wrapping efforts. This should have been the list used to send the
votecall in the first place (if a votecall were actually required). Yet
Nancy did not request a copy of this list, and any copy she has is very
out of date.
I
know that at least some people who received ballots were not on the list
of content contributors, and thus shouldn't vote. Also, more people
voted to maintain the posse roster as is, including Laura, than voted to
add Jan. Yet Laura is out and Jan is in.
There is a section of ZetaTalk which speaks of statistics and how they
can be manipulated http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s52.htm
.
I can vouch for the truth of this page, as I understand these techniques
due to my 30 years' employment in the marketing research field as a
software developer and research manager. To quote from this page:
"Humans have a saying, that one can lie with statistics, because
numbers can be manipulated to support any argument. If one wants to
demonstrate that the populace is not starving, one adjusts the threshold
where starvation sets in. If the numbers run up on one group don't look
so good, pick another group. If the average is too low or high, go for
the median and arrange to discard the high or low end. Statistics, done
honestly, can make a statement like no other, but done dishonestly are
deeply deceptive because the readership believes the numbers have been
run up honestly....However, they are likewise being increasingly
challenged. What was included? How did you arrive at these figures? The
squeeze is on. An easy out in these circumstances is to make the
formulas more complicated. Then the common man can't understand and the
factors can be argued endlessly."
To be blunt, Nancy fudged the votecall results to give her the desired
result, that of installing Jan as censor of the lists. Since his
installation into the posse, Jan has begun weeding out dissenting and
skeptical voices, effectively ending discussion about Nibiru on tt-watch.
Jan's attitude and approach are dangerous. In his own words from 2/26
speaking of STO camps: "A full democracy will be the goal, but
since there may be undecided or even STS persons in the camp with their
own agendas, the necessary dictatorship will be in place to protect
against any STS actions like takeover attempts." The war cry of the
dictator. STO indeed. The prospect of Nibiru passing by and flipping our
planet in fourteen months from now or not is too important an issue to
stifle discussion on.
Thus, I am ending my official capacity with Troubled Times and the
lists, and have created another list called ZetaAstro, where free
discussion on ALL sides of the Nibiru / Planet X issue are welcome and
encouraged. I want both believers and nonbelievers to participate, as I
believe critical thinking and in-depth analysis of an issue requires all
sides of an issue to be examined. I will be issuing invitations shortly
(if you don't get one, it's an oversight, you just joined recently, or
Yahoogroups is just being slow). I hope you will at least consider
joining, and read the group introduction and first welcome message. It
explains where I'm coming from in more detail. If you don't want to
participate, so be it, delete the invitation and go in peace. I want to
thank the many of you who I continue to count among my friends here,
especially the old posse.
Clipper,
please remove my moderator privileges from all the lists and unsubscribe
me from tt-posse. Please leave me subscribed to the other lists. I will
remain around, just way in the background and not in an official
capacity. God bless you all.
-----o-----
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9297
From:
"Mike O'Hara" <ppplanet@a...>
Date:
Thu Mar 21, 2002 2:58 am
Subject:
RE: Resignation of George Gantner
George,
if you're disassociating from ZetaTalk and the TT-Lists, why are you
calling your new mailing list "ZetaAstro"?
Do you have some inside connection to the Zetas we don't know about?
If you were honest about this, you'd
call your new list "GantnerAstro", or something like that.
------o------
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/9299
From:
"yahbokravitz" <yahbo@p...>
Date:
Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:15 am
Subject:
Re: Resignation of George Gantner
dude
get over yourself he can call it whatever he wants.
------o-----
As
can be seen from the tt-watch/welcome/social homepage the total list
contributions have become distinctly numbered compared to previous years
before the tt-takeover. The iron fist of “new” moderator leadership
and stealth tactics have left their distinctive marks. This is confirmed
when logging on as the same zeta-faithful are now the only members
posting, the same names visible like some repetitive cult role call.
TT-watch
TT-welcome
TT-social
(Note
all tt-watch archives prior to 2000 have now been deleted so all traces
of previous tt-membership descent and Nancy’s errors and
contradictions have gone. The only record now is that presented by Nancy
and the Zeta faithful.)
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