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From: "tyrus_bahney2000" <tyrus_bahney2000@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:13 am
Subject: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

On the Zetatalk and Poleshiftdiscussion chat, I am known as InSoM420 for anyone who want to discuss this email with me.

Lately, a new issue has shown itself.. It is now time to see Planet X at night. Nancy claims to have done so, and so have many others. The credibility and integrity of the others cannot be known. So, what must we do, for those who aren't seeing it? We must understand a few things that become an integral part.

1. Supposedly, Planet X and its surrounding complex give off a low spectrum red light, so any light pollution, at this point in time, will decrease chances of viewing it.

2. Latitude relative to the equator changes the position of ZT's coordinates. The coords given are from a non-atmospheric point of view, so no atmospheric alterations are included. This is a URL talking about this:

http://members.shaw.ca/makeugohmm/sight_adjustment.htm

Viewing will be hard and difficult and not everyone will view it all at once. Don't close the door on this issue just yet.

Back to the sightings posted... Since we cannot rely on the honesty of these anonymous posters, they actually prove nothing. What is something we SHOULD be able to trust and analyze? .. The pictures that are being taken and posted on ZT. I am not sure whether Nancy looks at the pictures with scrutiny, but from the way it looks, that may not be the case. Recently, with the inpour of pictures, I began to see obvious differences between them, SO SOMEONE must be lying.

The Hawaii pictures which seem to be deemed as the greatest pics (or at least the pics that have the least chance of being face), but I DO NOT believe so. For one, do you see the differences from picture to picture? This does not seem likely. So, from the most recent Hawaii pictures, the plane ride, I have made my OWN analysis.

http://www.geocities.com/tyrus_bahney2000/fake.jpg

That is a link to just a portion of the original picture. I chose this Hawaii picture because of its obvious flaws in its creation. So, with this picture analysis, I lose all faith and trust in the Hawaii photos.

The picture from the Southeast USA:
http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy16.htm

This picture doesn't show surrounding stars, so no credibility can be given. We are given such a small part of the picture, so not much analysis can be done. From my opinion, I do not trust it.

Another picture that is floating around is

http://www.grillflame.com/kida/px.jpg .

I am pretty sure this will be posted on ZT, so I will address some problems concerning this picture. From the picture, we see the actual planet. This oddity was not seen in the team pictures. Even when the complex became "present" in the team's pictures, we did NOT see the planet itself, so why would we now? This is the main reason we should be turned off to this picture.

To sum this long posting up, I am hoping by this little step I made here, others who are far better than I am at this will take follow. Hopefully, Nancy will read this and will begin to apply some form of scrutiny on these picture postings. If you do read this Nancy, I have a question. Do you go through the Zetas first before you post these pictures? I understand that they can "See what you see."

As a late disclaimer, the picture analysis I have done on the "plane taken" photo was VERY amateur-like. Simple paint and zoom features allowed me to see its faults.

Insom420

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From: "Michael" <txyall@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:28 am
Subject: Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

I agree with you. At this point, there is no way to discern which pics are legit. Although, I admit many are quite suspect. However, I believe Nancy posts them all to show the attention garnered, and to get others to look for themselves. Also, you are right on target with how difficult viewing can still be. If you read the sightings that have been posted, they all have a similar theme of the object fading in and out, and not being viewable on a continuous basis at this time. Sadly, we cannot even trust someone who CLAIMS to be an expert with imaging or astronomy these days; simply because we have no way of knowing whether they actually are an expert, nor what there agenda might be. Therefore, continue to keep your eyes and ears open, and decide for yourself. We'll know the truth soon enough.

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From: Kollins Bruce <lehighvalley1999@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

all good points and the summary point of we will all know soon if the zeta info is good is the best point of all...my reason for this post is to point out that
a few days ago debunkers were saying "how come there are no ametuer spottings with all the people looking for X"? Well now we are getting them but yet to be seen if they are reliable...just a point to keep it all in perpective for those who might say "where are the sightings"?

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From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:49 am
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

Those are not amateur sightings. Those are sightings from inexperienced observers.

Michael

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From: "Michael" <txyall@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:22 am
Subject: Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

Your point is taken. However, you're kinda nit-picking with this one. You don't know those people or their background; just as we have no proof of who you might be or your experience level.

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From: Michael L Cunningham <bogeystar@e...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: [tt-watch] Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

It's pretty crass to say it's nit-picking since it's proof of existence as claimed will wipe away 90% of the worlds population.

Also, examples of my work and equipment are and have been displayed on my web pages for years. My experience level is well known amongst amateur
astronomers.

The lack of ANY verifiable reference stars, data and documentation for any of the pictures displayed as "proof" is the background for my statement above.

Michael

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From: "txyall" <txyall@y...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: Wow.. Look at all these new PX pictures..

If you say so about your experience. Regarding nit-picking, this refers to the difference in the words amateur and inexperienced observer.

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From: "queenvee59" <queenvee59@h...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:07 pm
Subject: Amateur Astronomer vs Inexperienced Observer

--- In tt-watch@yahoogroups.com, "txyall" <txyall@y...> wrote:
Regarding nit-picking, this refers to the difference in the words amateur and inexperienced observer.<<

I'm afraid you are wrong on that point, and Michael Cunningham is right. An amateur is someone "who engages in a pursuit, study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession." Often an amateur is a very skilled individual -- as skilled as any professional -- but simply doesn't get paid, doesn't make his living from his area of study." An "inexperienced observer" in this context is someone who has NOT engaged in the study of astronomy, and has simply picked up a pair of binoculars or a telescope and LOOKED.

There's a huge difference between the two. An amateur astronomer has skills and experience -- often as much as a professional. An inexperienced observer has neither.

Best,
QueenVee

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From: "queenvee59" <queenvee59@h...>
Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:46 pm
Subject: PX Daytime Visibility Period -- 7 weeks or 2 weeks before poleshift?

PX Daytime Visibility Period
-- 7 weeks or 2 weeks before poleshift?

As most of you are aware, I posed the following question to Nancy/the Zetas in last Saturday's ZetaTalk session (April 12):

"ZT states: `PX will be visible in the daytime sky, 7 wks before passage.... It will be seen in the same place by the ignorant public, noted by a farmer in his fields, commented to others....' If the passage is to occur no later than Jun.1, then PX should be daytime visible now -- and yet most are unable to see it in the night sky. Could the Zetas provide an explanation? Has the passage date changed?"

Nancy replied as follows:

"Queen, I should gather ALL the places this 7 week and daytime sighting are mentioned, as I did with the Iraq war thing on Mar 22, so it can be put to rest."

Nancy has since gathered those sections of ZetaTalk that mention the 7-week period and daytime sighting, and inserted them into the Saturday log (see: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/capr1203.htm). I have reviewed those sections (as I had BEFORE the ZetaTalk session), but still do not find an answer to my question there. The ZetaTalk sections provided by Nancy clearly support the premise and validity of my question, and do not answer it in any way.

However, just when I had resigned myself that Nancy/the Zetas would not address this quite reasonable question and confusing issue, I was extremely surprised to find the following "Nancy Lieder Planet-X Update" on the Coast-to-Coast website, dated April 14, 2003:

"The Zetas have said that seven weeks before passage you and I can go out and look at it and see it without binoculars…it'll be somewhere in the daylight sky," Lieder told me in October of 2002, when I spoke with her for an After Dark article. I caught up with Nancy Lieder this afternoon and asked her about her earlier quote. She now said that Planet X wouldn't actually be visible in daylight, until its closest approach between May 15th and June 1st...." (see http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page112.html)

So it would appear that Nancy (and the Zetas?) have now amended the day-time visibility period from the original 7 weeks to only two weeks before the poleshift itself.

I just wish she had clarified that in the ZetaTalk session, and saved us all a lot of grief....

Best,
QueenVee

[Oh dear the back peddling begins. From seven to two weeks now. How long before May 15th is changed I wonder?]

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