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“Want
the truth? Read ZetaTalk, and if any human theory differs, it is wrong.” Nancy
Lieder, Dec 2002 Zetatalk Part
Alien, part doomsday theme. Earth is about to be destroyed and the Zeta’s
(a race of alien grey’s) have come to provide guidance and warning of
this impending event. And if anyone didn’t know any better it almost
sounds like some epic blockbuster movie, without the original motion
picture score. Nancy
Lieder, sole emissary and spokesperson of the Zeta alien culture has
been on several US radio talk shows, published a book on the subject,
produced a video showing the concept of the Pole shift and has written a
script for a film, which is still awaiting discovery by some
enterprising director, although they’d be pushed now to get it
produced before May 2003. Zetatalk
began back in 1995, originally formed by Nancy, who set up the separate
Troubled Times Incorporated to oversee any finance and projects. Prior
to which she was a participant of Michael
Lindemann’s ISCNI Institute for the study of Contact with Non-human
Intelligence) With her at that time was Ron Darby, a former NASA
contract worker who had met Nancy through his various connections. Ron’s
own account: “Nancy
claimed that she was in contact with Zetas and that they would answer
questions posed to them through Nancy. Over a relatively short time
these questions and answers took up much of the discussion. It actually
became rather disruptive but also extremely popular. Therefore it was
given a special “place” or forum. Eventually, a tremendous volume of
stuff had accumulated and Lindemann and Nancy agreed to package all
these “answers” and create a web site hosted on AOL.
So
Zetatalk and Troubled Times were born. It’s concept and ideals, should
the fabled mythical planet return, a godsend to anyone who should
follow. (This is documented evidence detailing Nancy, Zetatalk and
Troubled Times for any future reference and from the stand point of a
former long-term contributing member.) Troubled
Times http://www.zetatalk.com/nonproft/home.htm “Troubled
Times Inc. informs
the public of the upcoming pole shift through means such as a video, a
movie, and by written word; as a constructive resource for those teams
building prototypes or exploring the feasibility of practical solutions
for the difficult times during and after the coming pole shift; and in
its charter as an educational organization, assisting in disseminating
the knowledge gained from such efforts”. http://www.zetatalk.com/thub01.htm “The
nonprofit organization, Troubled
Times, Inc. is a
separate entity from this volunteer group, but shares the same goals and
values. Though many individuals are members in both groups, they are
separate legal entities. This
volunteer group is under no obligation to adhear to any of the Troubled
Times, Inc. bylaws, nor is it under any restrictions or stipulations
that grants to Troubled Times, Inc. may require.
Troubled Times, Inc., the nonprofit
organization, hopes to further the goals expressed by both Troubled
Times groups through prototype development, experimentation, and media
outreach.” Details
of the non-profit organisation, annual report (last edition 2001), board
directors etc, at: http://www.zetatalk.com/nonproft/annual01.htm Directors
and Officers
Directors
are nominated by the membership, and elected during the annual elections
held in February. Officers are likewise elected by the membership, but
confirmed by the Board, at whose pleasure they serve. The roster below
represents the Officers and Appointed Positions (who all served on the
Board) and the remaining Board Members who served during 2001. (Note
this has subsequently changed but no changes have been made to the
official records since 2001.)
President:
Brent Freemont VP: Roger Thuma Treasurer
/ Admin VP:
Nancy Liederr Secretary: Shirley Short Internet Comm: Gerard Zwaan Internal
Auditor:
Jan Rypdal Board:
Jurian van der Knaap
(Resigned, May 2002 due to his own
doubts.) Board:
Mary Simpson Board:
Toni Simpson Board:
Shaul Volkov (Forced
to resign after concerted witch-hunt initiated by Nancy.) Board: Barry Setser (For
background into its past and present membership visit) http://www.skepticalmind.com/the_players.html TT-Groups The
backbone of troubled times. E-mail based discussion groups designed for
membership contributions and discussions of the coming 12th
planet. tt-social
……
for social discussions covering
almost anything. tt-welcome … initially for newcomers so they can get acquainted with the tt-groups and routines. tt-watch …… news based contributions detailing anything news worthy concerning tt-forum ….. survival and preparation based topics for submission
to the Troubled Times reference library.
TT
Moderators The
TT groups are moderated by what was once fondly referred to as the “posse”
in that they were volunteer members, considered Sheriff and Marshals,
that were appointed to keep the peace. This is now under TT-Inc control
despite their own legal restrictions preventing interference on the
groups. Recent events on these groups have given it true cult status as
all free speech has now been suppressed with the installation of a
dictatorial monitoring system that instantly moderates or bans any
dissenting voices. Questions, provided they fall into a positive rather
than negative form are the only ones allowed. At the moment the present
moderators total 8. Clipper
Ordiway (Sheriff and owner of certain tt-groups,
former tt-Inc.) Nancy
Lieder (Marshal, tt-Inc) Jan
Rypdal (Marshal, tt-Inc)
Milly
Gumper (Marshal) Brent
Freemont (Marshal, tt-Inc) Gerrad
Zwaan (Marshal, tt-Inc
aka “obany” IRC chat) Antti
(Marshal) As
you can see pretty much under Inc control now, although you’ll only
actually see Jan doing most of the “moderating,” sometimes Milly and
Clipper. The rest goes on behind the scenes on “tt-posse,” the
moderators own private discussion group. Live
Zetatalk IRC Exclusive
link to chat with the Zeta’s and Nancy herself, but be careful not to
disrupt with difficult questions or you’ll find yourself temporarily
off line or banned by the IRC cops. These are. Jurian
van der Knaap
(Owner, former
tt-Inc officer who is gradually growing
tired of Nancy and her attitude.) Sean
White (a.k.a. Sirgrim, voted onto the
tt-Inc board after
Jurian resigned.) QueenVee
(see below)
Special live Zetatalk IRC Recent
events resulted in Nancy being banned from her own IRC and as a result
another Zeta faithful “Queenvee” offered use of her site, “poleshiftdisscussion”
where she set up an alternative so that Nancy could speak freely, but
also prevent interference from what they consider “disruptive”
elements. (Basically anyone asking the wrong questions.) Heavily
moderated with scripted questions and answers. Possibly the new home of
the IRC should Jurian withdraw his help and his IRC
site as threatened during Nancy’s attack and subsequent ban.
(See IRC
Session Sat Oct 26 2002 for details.)
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