8 June 2002

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Wow! At last another couple of leaves are about to be verified and their marriage and death details added to my tree.

With Thanks to RootsWeb's Free BMD Site I now know that Mary Ann's name appears as ODGERS on her marriage certificate, when she and John VINCENT married in the June Quarter of 1842, and that Mary Ann died in the March Quarter 1872. I have sent for the respective certificates and as soon as I have them, I will add the details to this section.

Having confirmation that Mary Ann's maiden name was ODGERS as opposed to the HODGERS given on her daughter's birth certificate, it is quite likely that her parents were John ODGERS & Elizabeth HAWTHORNE, so on a whim I decided to check the 1871 Census at Kindred Konnections site just in case Mary's parents were still alive. To my amazement I found a couple who match very very well. A John ODGERS born Falmouth 1801, married to an Elizabeth born Budock 1798, living in Budock. I will have to do some checking, but at this stage feel quite confident that I have gone one step further back into our family history - providing her parents are a John and Elizabeth.

I have also found in Kellys Directories 1856 & 1873, John VINCENT, Farmer and Henry Jenkin , Farmer, both at Roscroggan. The 1873 entry is a surprise as Mary Ann gives herself as a widow in the 1871 Census, but there is that nagging omission from their daughter Sidwell's marriage certificate of father "deceased". Will investigate this some more. So please call back soon.
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19 June 2002

The certificates arrived. The date of John and Mary's marriaged was the 29th June 1842, and the first thing I noted was that the Ann in Mary Ann's name has an 'e', which ties in with other information I have, secondly that John ODGERS was indeed the name of Mary Ann's father, and thirdly that he was not a Mariner, but a Husbandman, but this may well have been his occupation at the time his daughter married, so could still have been a Mariner earlier on.

The next thing is that Mary Anne was living at Tolvaddon which is in the Illogan area and not Budock. As the certificate mentions that she had worked in the mines, it may well be that rather than be a scullery maid, she chose the mines. Perhaps this is where she met her husband!

We now have confirmation that John VINCENT was a Miner at the time of his marriage and was living at Tehidy Mill. His father's name is not James, as I had thought, but William. This makes the William and Ann who appear to live so close by on two of the Census, most likely ours. It is interesting to note that they had a much younger son James, who was still at home in 1851. Our William was a Farmer, just like our John became later in his life. Did John work the family farm, and was it the same farm that John's son Charles was working in 1881.
The two witnessess were Hy (Henry) ODGERS and William Brooks. Mary died 19th January 1872 at Red River, Illogan she was 55 years old, wife of John VINCENT a Farmer, and cause of death was: Decline - not certified. By this I presume the doctor was not in attendence.

Interesting though is the name of the Informant. It is one William GILBERT! This is the person who was witness on Mary and John's daughter Sidwell's Marriage certificate.

Some more checking is the order of the day. Perhaps he married one of Sidwell's older sisters, Ann, Jane or Elizabeth, and perhaps this is the connection to William Westlake's mother, Ann GILBERT.

With Mary Anne's death in the January of 1872, one wonders why John VINCENT's name still appeared in the 1873 Kellys Directory - I will have to check to see how often the information was updated.

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19 March 2003

Jane Vincent married William Gilbert March 1869, so he was Mary Anne's son in law, and it was in this capacity that he was able to register her death in 1872.

Dwelling: Magor
Census Place: Illogan, Cornwall, England
Source: FHL Film 1341560 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2332 Folio 66 Page 3

Marr Age Sex Birthplace

William GILBERT M 35 M Illogan, Cornwall, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Copper Miner
Jane GILBERT M 33 F Illogan, Cornwall, England
Rel: Wife
John V. GILBERT 11 M Illogan, Cornwall, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Ann GILBERT 10 F Illogan, Cornwall, England
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar

Magor was where I found Charles Vincent and his wife Jane on the 1881 Census. Was Magor a division; a large farm, or a group of farm cottages. William, John, and Charles all give their occupation as Farmer, not AG Lab.

And this from the Cornish Mining Index I am pretty sure this is our John Vincent:

11312 Vincent John 34 Copper Miner Wendron Wendron 1851

I also found one of John & Mary's daughters who worked at the mine, but for the life of me I cannot find the entry.

For some reason I thought Mary Anne was alive and well when Sidwell married William, but 18 months elapsed before their marriage took place.
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