Most of the information on this page is due to Murray
McGregor, some of it is surmise by myself... If you have any
further information or precise measurements, please Email those
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update this page.
This information came as an offshoot to a discussion on the
'Irish List' about cocoon build up. The discussion was illustrated by
These 50+ year old combs seemed to have no thicker cell walls than new
ones, and were thoroughly 'mucked out' by the bees each spring, as are
all our old brood combs.
Murray thinks that they had six vertical wires and four
horizontal ones (evenly spaced), in a BS deep. (There were only BS
deeps of this type). This is in addition to the heavier wires binding
round the edges. The weight of wire was probably about double that
used as frame wire in the UK today. He has some NZ frames that have
heavier wire and it was about that gauge.
No-one has ever been able to shed any light on the origin of these old
combs, but I was interested as they had a weird wiring pattern to them.
They were wired with straight non-crimped wires running in both
vertical and horizontal directions, and welded together at the
crossing points. There were several wires in each direction, all bound
to thicker wires around the perimeter of the foundation. Must have
been embedded hot, or with a spur embedder or similar as they would
not work with electricity due to shorting.
He further thinks, but cannot swear, that the top wires and
side wires were not continuous and met at right angles, and were
welded or soldered at the corners. This would perhaps be consistent
with them having been made on some kind of jig with wire feeding in
from several reels, secured in the jig, fixed together, then the ends
trimmed, and bingo, a grid ready to embed.
Murray has no idea of the origin of these gridded combs, but
he says they were good, staying nice and flat to the end of their
life when it was the frames that gave rather than the comb. It has
been suggested to Murray that they could be a pattern devised by an
unnamed Englishman and made in the 1920's or 30's. he has also had it
suggested by someone that they sounded home made, and that the
'welding' was perhaps simply soldering.
I can add that the type of wooden frame that Murray has
described in further correspondence was common in the 1920's or 30's
and so the date has a high probability.
The sheets were in continuous service until 2000, when they
were destroyed due to the frames collapsing in the high velocity
extractor, they are known to have been in Murray's family for at
least 50 years (from his father's original hive purchase in 1950),
they could have been up to 30 years older even than that.
The large drawing is my 'artist's impression' of the grid
and has been drawn at 2 pixels per mm,
the smaller drawing indicates likely spreading and thickness reduction
at resistance welded corners. I am of the opinion that such welding
was used rather than soldering. Point contact of the thin wires would
be incredibly weak if soft solder had been used and the time taken to
solder each individual joint would have been large. By contrast a
single horizontal bar electrode, placed sequentially, six times down
the grid would be easy and quick. Owing to the thicker gauge of the
frame of the grid this may have been fabricated, in bulk, in a
separate operation. The finer grid wires being superimposed in a
As far as embedding goes modern methods might opt for
moulding the grid into the foundation in one operation using a
sophisticated version of the
The dies of which could be made easily on a CNC milling machine, but in
1920, or whatever, I think that the grids may well have been heated on
a 'hot plate' to a very slightly higher temperature than molten wax
and then pressed into plain foundation using a jig with pins, that
located on the wire junctions and applied pressure evenly.
The temperature elevation above wax melting would require
to be high enough for the mass of the grid multiplied by it's
specific heat to provide enough heat energy to overcome the latent
heat of fusion in the amount of beeswax to be melted.
Alternatively, the same sort of multi-pinned jig could be
used to heat the grid electrically and at the same time provide the
The picture at right is of a frame that has had vertical wired
foundation fitted into a frame which has horizontal wiring. This is
not identical to the welded grid, but it gives a good idea of it's
Much conjecture, I hope someone knows some more detail.
Written... 02/03 April 2002, Addition... 03 July 2002