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He is half of Electronic, a quarter of New Order and isn’t he a naughty
fellow! You blamed him for Keith Allen and asked him about as many drugs as
there are drugs. In return, he denied ever having "touched himself". Meet the
people Bernard Sumner.
Bernard Sumner is looking rather well. In rude health, even. This may be
because Bernard Sumner has stopped eating pasties, but it’s more likely
because the night before Manchester United won a football match against some
Germans.
In a West London hotel, the only non-purple star called Barney lounges on a
well-stuffed sofa nursing a half-bottle of Chardonnay. In spite of his
numerous 43 years -20 of them spent as a member of Joy Division, New Order,
Electronic, and, if you want to be pedantic, Englandneworder, the short-lived
rock/footie conglomeration that brought you the rapping of John Barnes - he
appears younger than he has any right to.
Moreover - bucking his Mr Miseryguts reputation - Summer appears delighted
to answer even the readers’ ugliest questions. Some of his replies maybe
tongue-in-cheek, and some are, frankly, lies. He may, charmingly, have faith
in the beauty of moustaches, he may be eerily loath to reveal the secret of
his morphing surname, but the former Bernard Dicken is proving an amenable
chap. Just don’t call him Warsaw, that’s all.
Q opens the ceremonial geography project folder of questions, Sumner sips
his Chardonnay and off we go.
Words David Quantick
Is True Faith about ecstasy? Trisha Farmer. Hull No.
It’s about drug dependency. I don’t touch smack but when I wrote that song I
tried to imagine what it’s like to be a smackhead and nothing else matters to
you except that day’s hit. There’s a line in the song, “When I was a very
young boy, very young boys played with me/Now we’ve grown up together, they’re
afraid of what they see." The original was, “Now they’re taking drugs with
me,” but Stephen Hague our producer made us change it because he said it
wouldn’t be a hit if we kept that line in. He was right. It was a very big
hit, but we chickened out. I change it back sometimes live.
Given your chemically excessive past, what is your parental advice to
your kids concerning drugs? Anthony Clifford, Taunton Don’t
go anywhere near heroin or crack or acid. Taking ecstasy’s like Russian
roulette, except you've got 99,000 bullets that are empty and one that’s
loaded. I don’t know anyone who’s taken cocaine where it hasn’t become a
friend for life. Although you can say the same for cigarettes. I don’t smoke
marijuana, but if you’re going to take a drug, that’s the best one. It’s not
as bad for you as alcohol and it makes people mellow and friendly,
Unfortunately, it just makes me go to sleep.
Do you still have a receiver in your head? Noel Edmunds, via
e-mail I think I know what this is about. I think I came out in an
interview with some bullshit answer to a question about howl wrote music. I
said that I had a television aerial in my head and it picked ideas out ofthe
ether and I used to work at night when everyone was asleep. Maybe I did write
in a different way in those days. I think now I’ve not got that many problems
in my life, I want to write songs about the ones I have got, rather than that
kind of... dreamscape. I used to be pretty sort of dreamy and go off on one. I
still can do it. I sat in my room for twelve hours just not watching
television or anything, just thinking.
What made you piss yourself on Every Little Counts? Jamie
BIundell, Rednal The words were so bad, basically (“I think you are a
pig/You should be in a zoo”). We kept it on because it was better than the
original lyric.
What’s your excuse for having a moustache when you were Warsaw?
Ursula Stevenson, Reading It’s a popular misconception that we
were called Warsaw. We were never called Warsaw. At our first concert we
changed it to Joy Division (He is reminded of the question) The moustach? I’d
forgotten all about that. In those days moustaches were really big. The thing
I was embarrassed about was it was a bumlluff moustache that didn’t quite join
in the middle. Bit like Noel’s eyebrows. No, the opposite of Noel’s eyebrows.
It looked like I had Noel’s eyebrows on my lip. I’ll stand by my moustache. If
you look at most pop stars, you’ll find some kind of styling error in their
past history.
When joy Division started, why did you keep changing your surname, from
Dicken to Albrecht to Sumner? Dove Clarke, Salford Family
reasons. I’d rather not go into it.
Ian Curtis, 1999 - what would he be up to? Matt Palmer,
Worcestershire It’s hard to imagine because Ian was very ill. I can’t
imagine him in the ‘90s. He once threatened to go off and leave the group and
buy a corner shop in Bournemouth. It was an off-licence that sold books as
well, I think that was his idea. These mad, completely illogical thoughts used
to come into his head from time to time. So maybe eventually he would have
done that. I think he would have been a writer, because he was always reading
books and he was always writing anyway. Or maybe he would have retired a
millionaire by now, who knows? Silly sod.
Is it true that Touched By The Hand Of God is about whacking off
Aidan Vaziri, San Francisco (Long pause followed by wide-eyed
response) What’s whacking off mean? (It is explained to him) I would not write
a song about masturbating, No, it’s not, most definitely isn’t. And I've never
done that in my life ever. Ever. Do people really do that? Masturbate? Do you
masturbate? I’ve never done it ever in my life. I’ve certainly never written a
song about it. (Confidentially) It’s about bestiality, actually.
Do you keep losing Johnny Marr’s phone number? Nick Trevor,
New York Well, we go off and do other things. The first album, I did
Republic and a tour, andJohnny did stuff with The The. Between Raise The
Pressure and Twisted Tenderness, Johnny produced an album for Marion. Twisted
Tenderness was finished last summer but we didn’t bring it out because the
music business takes a holiday in August and then you’re get-ting ready for
Christmas, so we couldn’t release it ‘til after. And anyway, who wants to
finish the album? ‘Cos then you’ve got to go out and promote it and make
videos. It’s much more fun staying in the studio and making it.
Do you regret doing that Prozac documentary? Wasn’t it a rather strange
thing to do? Damon Williams, Bromley I regret it but not
bitterly. It was interesting tak-ing Prozac because I don’t really suffer from
depression but I can be a melancholic sort of person. It was interesting being
a different person for seven months. It really agreed with me. I still think
it’s a very, very interesting drug. I found when I took it if I had problems,
then instead of me crumbling before my problems, I would deal with the
problems.
Quote a lyric from the second Electronic album that isn’t from the
single, Forbidden City. William Haas, Winchester Um... I
honestly can’t be bothered. You tell me. What a trainspotter. All right,
here’s one: “Misguided youth/You mix some juice with alcohol." It’s from
Liquor.
Finish the sentence, in less than 10 words, “Manchester is great
because..." Carl Hedges, Liverpool We’ve got the best
football team, we've got the best bands, we’ve got the best gang violence
scene anywhere in Britain, It’s always sunny there, it never rains...
You and Michael jackson are the only pop stars who whoop. Discuss.
Heather Thompson, London NB Ha ha ha! Well, I get excited.
Whoopings a primeval expression of enjoyment, and sometimes if I’m getting
into a vocal take, I just get into it. If I’m at a club, I like whistling... I
was at a club in Bath and this girl got a bouncer over to stop me
(demonstrates incredibly powerful, piercing whistle). I don’t get excited very
often but when I do, I get really excited. I’ll stop doing it now, I’ll get
self-conscious about it.
When did you last touch Pernod? Steve Heath, Keighley
Um... Well, Pernod’s been replaced by Absinthe. There’s this whole ritual
where you bake some up on a spoon, a bit like freebasing. That stuff’s like
rocket fuel, I had a couple of nights with Alex James out of Blur, a couple of
disastrous nights drinking Absinthe, and I don’t even remember drinking it.
Have you ever been down to your last dollar and how did you cope?
Adrian Gibbon, Bassetbury Balloons Party Shop, High Wycombe It
was on New Order’s first US tour and I didn’t really get the idea of tipping -
I’m a bit of a tight bastard and I find the whole idea of tipping abhorrent.
We bought a beer in a club and it was 75 cents, So I thought, well, you’ve got
to tip here or they'll go fucking mad. I only had a dollar, I didn’t have any
more money so I him the dollar and said, Keep the change, and he went, "You
fucking Manc bastard," and threw the 25 cents at me.
Do you own a Sainsbury’s reward card? Jill Cash, Amersham
I do, but it’s mysteniously gone missing. I probably left it in thetoilet
somewhere. I keep losing odd credit cards,,, It didn’t have many points on it
because I cashed it. I have a special platinum reward card. You get more
points than other people, being a celebrity and that.
I saw you purchase a tuna sandwich from Spinks in Wilmslow. It was a
cold day - why didn’t you buy a pasty like me? Were you trying to be hard?
Andy Parr, Maclesfield Ha ha ha! I’m trying to lose a bit of
weight, that’s why! Tuna's much more healthy for you and I'm trying to go on a
health kick. I can’t eat pasties any more without affecting my, ah, already
fragile waistline.
What’s the most unusual place you’ve had sex? Polly
Winterton, London W12 I couldn’t possibly tell you without offending
someone. Um... ah... I might get in trouble. I'm trying to think of which
particular unusual place out of all the unusual places...
Don’t you feel ashamed for having started Keith Allen out in his pop
career? K Allen (thankfully no relation), Bromley Heh heh
heh! K. Allen? Um... em... I think Keith’s made a wonderful contribution to
pop. I think the Fat Les records are some of the all-time classic songs
that’ll go down as... ‘90's classics. I’m very proud of Keith’s contribtuion
to pop music and I’m sure that every time there’s some kind of football event
to cash in on... er! help to promote I’m sure Keith’ll be there with one of
his wonderful renditions.
What’s your best Shaun Ryder story? Jane Smith, Liverpool
Which one? I’ve got about three. He went out in his car to score and
he crashed into a vicar in a Lada. He had 500 quid in his pocket and he said
to the vicar, "Look, mate, your car’s not worth 500 quid, I’ll give you this
ifyou don’t call the cops." He was a vicar and he wouldn’t take it, so Shaun
said, "Well, fuck off then," and got in his car and drove off. About ten
minutes later, the police knocked at his house and he said, how did you find
me so quick? And they just showed him his number plate. He’d left his
numberplate at the scene of the crime. What else? There’s a few disgusting
ones...
Did you really do a version of Blue Monday for a Sunkist ad? If so, how
did the lyrics go? Peter Rees, Shrewsbury (Recites) "How
does it feel/When you’re drinking in the sun? Something something
something/Sunkist is the one/How does it feel/When you’re drinking in the
sun/All you’ve got to believe/Is Sunkist is the one" I didn’t write them. We
got offered £100,000 to do it. I kept laughing when I was singing it, so Hooky
(Peter Hook, New Order bassist) got a piece card and wrote “£100,000” on it,
held it up, and I sang it perfectly. But then Rob Gretton (New Order’s late
manager) turned up and put the kibosh on it. There’s a remix of Blue Monday by
Steve “Silk” Hurley and it’s got the Sunkist lyrics on it.
People who bought the Electronic album probably see it as a substitute
for New Order, and primarily use Electronic to fill the gap until the next New
Order album What do you think of that? Nicklas Mandahl Enevaldsen,
Denmark Well... very pleased. Fucking hell, what do you expect me to
say? Um... Thank God not everybody’s like that.
Former Factory Records boss Tony Wilson comes to you with a sure-fire
business proposition that “just can’t fail”. What do you do? Kevin
Leslie, Oldham Ha ha! Ha ha! Piss myself laughing. In fact that’s what
happened when we were recording Every Little Counts... Tony came in with a
sure-fire business proposition.
Does Steven (Morris, New Order drummer) let you play with his tank?
Lee Hollows, Birmingham I’ve sat in his tank, yeah. Steve’s got
a tank that he has permanently pointed at my house. Me and Steve play with it
and we’re in training for Kosovo. When the troops go in, we hope be in the
vanguard of operations. We’re keeping the gun well-oiled and we’re going to
shove it right up Slobodan’s arse. In fact, someone up the road from Steve’s
had the same tank, and they’ve got a slight design fault which means that
you’re driving along and swerve, it’s uncontrollable, and this guy’s tank did
this and decapitated his wife. It was because it was on the news and there was
a picture of Steve’s tank - we were “Steve’s crashed the tank and Gillian’s
been decapitated”. So I don’t think I’ll be going in it again.
What’s your favourite memory of Rob Gretton? Ruth Quest,
Gloucester (long pause) um.,. Rob used to say to everyone, “What are
you doing?” nothing, Rob, nothing: “What should you be doing? Skin up!” I’ll
remember those words.
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