Arthur Whiter                           Soldier

 Start of Corres.
I am trying to find info on a Mary Ann Whiter born abt 1844.
 The 1881 census gives her birth place as Windsor.
(Our list does not show her,but recording  births was not compulsory!)

Her fathers name was Arthur and when she married William Theed in 1866 her fathers occupation was given as soldier, so I think he may have been stationed in the town.

Do you have any records of an Arthur who was a soldier? I know Mary later lived in the East End of London and was widowed quite young. I would be pleased to hear from you.

 Regards Carole

from our tables:  prompted by Carole

1839 Marriage at The Parish Church of St George Hanover Square,Middx
after banns.
Ref 256       August 27 1839

Arthur Whiter       Full age    Bachelor       Soldier           Lancaster Court
Father John Whiter                                    Labourer       ( of John and Susannah?)

Jane Hyde            full age     Spinster                                 Lancaster Court
Father James Hyde                                  Labourer
Witnesses:    William Robert Bletso     Hannah Bletso
     Note: Jane Hyde gave her mark!

1841 Census    H733-3   page 76  of 149 LH 
 Lancaster/Lancashire Court,New Bond Street
          Found the Bletso family but not the "newly weds"       Not in H733

1853 Q3  Birth

Rosa daughter  of Jane and ? Arthur

AN     Arthur Whiter  died    ref   Windsor 1861 Q3   2c  237   might be the Father!

             (Age at Death not given at that time)

1862 q4  Marriages

                  Sarah   daughter of Arthur and Jane?   marries Poulton

1866 q4 Marriages

 Mary Ann   (1844?)   marries William Theed (1839) ?

Married   district of Eton. on 3/12/1866.

1880 Q3 Death recorded for:
               William Theed  aged 41   Poplar 1 c 429

Census Data
Was there a family tragedy leaving the grandsons with Jane?

1881 Census                       6 Candy St        Bow,              London, Middlesex
 RG11 Piece 0493 Folio 13 Page 1

Mary Anne Theed  (1844) Head   W  37    Charwoman               Windsor, Buckingham
Mary Jane                      Daur               12     Scholar                          Bow, Middlesex
Edward                           Son                10     Scholar                         Bow, Middlesex
Rosa                                Daur                 7     Scholar                         Bow, Middlesex

Note Knightsbridge and Windsor are both "Guards" barracks.

1891 Census         2 North Villas,Helena Road New Windsor
                 RG12-1011  Windsor Folio 130 Page 44

Rosa Whiter   Head   Single   39     Laundress                       Middx
William         Nephew single   28     Brewers Drayman          Basingstoke,Hants 

We have not found Arthur Whiter on the I G I or Ancestry.com

but if son of John and Susannah-- the St Matthews B.G. records are incomplete!

Not found yet in 1891     now    (1901 as Knight!) 
 do we have a re-marriage?  Or moved out of London to (Walthamstow)

25.10.04   Reply from Carole         (Genescollected)

Hi David Have been to the Whiter web site and have seen all the info, thanks very much.

 I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Whiter and William Theed.
They were married in the Parish Church of Upton Cum Chalvey, Bucks in the registation district of Eton. on 3/12/1866.
Their residence at time of marriage is Slough. William's occupation is labourer. His fathers name is also William.
And Mary's father is Arthur Whiter occupation Soldier.
the witness's were William (can't read surname) and Sarah Poulton.

 1901  Census          Mary is living with her son Edward, and his wife Mary,
   sons George and Ernest and daughter Lilian.
They now go under the name of Knight, and live at
1 Collingwood Road, Walthamstow, and Mary's place of birth is now
given as KnightsBridge and her occupation charwoman and age 61yrs.

RG13-1624  West Ham    Walthamstow

1 Collingwood Road    which is not in the S & N London CD's

Edward Knight     Head    Mar   31     Painter (House)    Old Ford
Mary                        wife       mar  33                                       Bethnal Green
George                    son                10                                       Old Ford
Lillian                      daur                  3                                       Poplar
Ernest                      son                  1                                       Mile End
Mary    (1840)   mother Widow   61    Charwoman           Knightsbridge  

Did she re-marry?   if so using which "name"?

Items from BMD's           Not necessarily this family!

                      Births

Mary Jane Theed     1867 Q3  Poplar  1 c  594

George B Theed       1866 Q3  Wycombe  3 a  401

Edwin Henry Theed  1871 Q2  Poplar  1 c  568
William Theed             1871 Q2   Hendon 3 a  100

Rosina Theed             1873 Q4  Poplar  1 c  609

                     Marriages

Mary Ann Theed     1887 Q3  Hendon 3 a   243

Rosina Theed         1891 Q1 Poplar  1 c 852?     

Edward  Francis T Theed     1891 Q4 Richmond,S.  2 a  680

John Theed              1892 Q4  Edmonton  3 a  417

John Henry W Theed 1893 Q1 St Geo H Sq 1 a 629
William Theed           1893 Q1 Hendon 3 a 201?

George Theed           1893 Q3  H.Hempstead  3 a 958?

William Henry A Theed  1894 Q3 Richmond,S. 2 a  703

Edward Henry Theed   1894 Q4 Hackney 1 b  749

Corres file

Carole Oxley

23.10

Hi David I don't know if you can help me but I am trying to find info on a Mary Ann Whiter born abt 1844. The 1881 census gives her birth place as Windsor. Her fathers name was Arthur and when she married William Theed in 1866 her fathers occupation was given as soldier, so I think he may have been stationed in the town. Do have any records of an Arthur who was a soldier? I know Mary later lived in the East End of London and was widowed quite young. I would be pleased to hear from you

What we have you can see on: http://uk.geocities.com/whiter_family 
Have a look at the tables and see if anything fits,not on the tree I am currently looking at,but we have at least three strings being looked at.The "Aussie" is looking at Cowley/Whiter and Marilyn is lost in William's tree. So we may be able to help

reply 2 :In 1871 they appear to have been at RG10-576 145 30 52 Armagh Road ,Bow just a little way from the 6 Candy Road built by 1881. 
Household  William 33 Labourer from Bucks
Mary Ann 28 from Knightsbridge
 not unusaual if he was in the Guards
Mary Jane 4 born Bow Edwin?? 2 months born Bow

Hi David Thanks vey much for the information. The address you have given me is the same address that my Gr Grandfather Edward (Edwin) was born. 
There is puzzle to the family, Edward's daughter Lilian, my Grandmother, always thought her surname was Knight, it wasn't untill she went to work and her boss started to call her Miss Theed that she knew her surname had been changed, but she never knew the reason why. On her birth certificate she is Lilian Theed but her marriage certificate gives her as Lilian Knight. If you have any more information on Arthur Whiter or the Theed family I will be pleased to hear from you. Regards Carole

Hi David Have been to the Whiter web site and have seen all the info, thanks very much.
 I have a copy of the marriage certificate of Mary Ann Whiter and William Theed. 
They were married in the Parish Church of Upton Cum Chalvey, Bucks
 in the registation district of Eton. on 3/12/1866. 
Their residence at time of marriage is Slough. 
William's occupation is labourer. His fathers name is also William. 
And Mary's father is  Arthur Whiter occupation Soldier.
 the witness's were William (can't read surname) and Sarah Poulton.

 In the 1901 Census Mary is living with her son Edward, and his wife Mary, 
sons George and Ernest and daughter Lilian.
They now go under the name of Knight, and live at 1 Collingwood Road, Walthamstow, and Mary's place of birth is now given as Knightsbridge 
and her occupation charwoman and age 61yrs.
 Hope I haven't gone on to much. Thanks again Regards Carole

Excellent. we are having trouble with Arthur whose birth precedes 1837 data.
Cant find him on IGI or Ancestry but will continue digging.
 Thanks for extra I can add to site and will ponder the Knight change david

Browsing around your site again, I saw the index Certificates. And there
 was a reference of a marriage on 27/08/1839 at St Georges, Hanover Square,
 Middx. 
Between Arthur Whiter, occupation soldier(was he listed as deceased?)
fathers name John 
and  Jane Hyde   her father James
Do you think this could be the Arthur Whiter I am looking for?

Do you have any links to a John Whiter.  ( did not call himself a SilkWeaver! )

29.10.04
Good Lord! I had forgotten all about him.
I got some early marriage certificates to see if I could get a positive link
back to Charles Whiter and his brothers.
Parent was wrong--so I listed it and filed it.
Will have a look at the possibilities.