Charlotte Norford a look at her links to the family
from Valerie 8th August 2006 via Genesreunited
Subject: Re Harriet Whiter
Hi David
This the Whiter connection in my tree:
Charlotte Norford married 7th March 1853 at St John the
Baptist,Shoreditch
to James Whiter (abt 1831) born Spitalfields,London
Charlotte is part of my "Cecil" family from the Shoreditch and Bethnal
Green area of East London.
I have given you access to my tree for any added info you may be interested in
and the added notes in the Extra details area>
Best regards Val
from Amanda Cornwell 3rd September 2006 via Genesreunited
Charlotte Norford
Hello again,
I have had contact with another member on GR and on going through her tree
I have come across some more 'Whiters'.
I do not know whether they are of interest to you or not.
They start with Charlotte Norford b1832 whom marries James Whiter born circa
1829 Mile End Old Town, London
They have the following children:
Charlotte Whiter ABT 1854
Harriett Whiter ABT 1856 whom married Thomas Clementson
Emma Eliza Whiter ABT 1857
Mary Ann Clara Whiter ABT 1860 Bethnal Green whom married George Charles
Joysey
Ann Whiter ABT 1862
James Whiter ABT 1863
Alfred William Whiter ABT 1865
Alice Celia Whiter Abt 1870 whom married William Joysey
There is no further information on the Whiters as the tree is about the Norfords
and other Ascendents/Descendents based on the Cecil family.
Best wishes
Amanda Cornwell
Note full names,not shown on Censuses!
1841 H107-710-3 page 87 of 159
Poole Square,Quaker Street,Spitalfields
John Whiter 35 plus Silk
Weaver
yes
Ann Imber 35 plus
Mary
15
James
13
John
11
William
9
Thomas
7
Thopilus? 5
George
3
Henry
1
1841 HO107-0711/1/-F10 CD25 H-711 pdf p8
Charles Norford
30 Dryer
??
yes
Mary
30
y
Sarah
12
y
Charlotte
10
y
Harriet
5
y
Ann
1
y
1851 Census Norford somewhere in Mile End ??
no longer an Underwood St listed
not at Ann Street tried H107-1553 pages 630-638 of 1644
Still Looking!
H107-1544 page 531 o f 885 St Dunstans,Stepney
18 King Street (cowley link)
John Whiter Head Mar
47 Bonnet shape maker Bethnal
Green
John
son unm 20 French
polisher
ditto
William
son unm 18
ditto
ditto
Thomas
son
16
ditto
ditto
Joseph
son
14
ditto
George
son
12
ditto
James aged 21 not listed!
1853 James gets married to Charlotte
1861 Census
RG9/0298/~F33 RG9-298.pdf p.65
7
Ann Street, Mile End Old Town
Charles Norford 55
Head
Boilermaker Mile End New Town Middx
Mary
Ann
55
Wife
?
ditto
Harriet
24 Dau
Milliner
Spitalfields
Ann
21 Dau
Tailoress
Bethnal Green
Eliza
15 Dau Mohair
coat maker M E New Town
RG9/0298/~F33 RG9-298.pdf p.65 8 Ann Street, Mile End Old Town
Sarah Norford 50 Sister Silk Weaver M E New Town
RG9-255 266 3 Cross Street,Bethnal Green
James Whiter Head Mar 31 French
Polisher Mile End
Charlotte
wife mar
28
ditto
Charlotte daur
7
Bethnal Green
Harriet
daur
5
ditto
Emma
daur
2
ditto
Mary Ann daur
1 mth
ditto
1871 RG10-567 Folio 70 page 31
12 Ann Street,Mile End Old Town
Charles Norford 65 Mar Head
Bricklayers Labourer M E Old Town
Mary
65 mar
wife
ditto
Eliza
24 unm daur
Dressmaker
ditto
George
10
son
Scholar
ditto
RG10-484 page 112 of 193
46 Lessada Street,Bethnal Green
James Whiter Head Mar 41 French
Polisher
Bethnal Green
Charlotte
wife mar
37
ditto
Charlotte daur
unm 17
Milliner
ditto
Harriet
daur unm 15
ditto
Mile End
Eliza
daur
12
Bethnal Green
Clara
daur
10 ( Mary Ann Clara)
ditto
James
son
7
ditto
Alfred
son
5
ditto
Alice
daur
11mths
ditto
Ann (9) est 1862 missing not on BMD ? didn't exist ?
1881 Census
RG11- 0418 Folio 9 Page 11 17 Theydon Rd, Bethnal Green, London
James WHITER Head M 50 (1831) French
Polisher Spitalfields, Middx
Charlotte
Wife M 47
(1834)
Mile End, Middlx
Eliza
Dau U
22
Mile End, Middx
Clara
Dau U 20 Boot
Machinist
Beth Grn, Middx
James
Son U 17 Boot
Maker
Beth Grn, Middx
Alfred (W?)
Son
15
Beth Grn, Middx
Alice
Dau
10
Beth Grn, Middx
John HEAP Lodger W 27
Insurance
Agent
Shoreditch, Middx
Widower of Charlotte (26)
Charlotte and Harriet have not been listed as Dead.
assume they got married between
the censuses
Possibel dates Are: but certificates would br needed!
1879 Q3 Charlotte Bethnal Green 1 c 476?
Harriet Mile
End
1 c 894?
-------------------------------------------------------------
Younger Generation ??
RG11 Piece 0480 Folio 16 Page 2
14 Ann St, Mile End Old Town, London, Middx
Marr Age Birthplace
Charles NORFORD Head M 38 Cooper
London Bethnal Green,
Kezia
Wife M 38
London Bethnal Green,
Herbert
Son 12 Scholar
London Bethnal Green,
Sidney
Son 10 Scholar
London Bethnal Green
Kezia
Daur 5 Scholar
London Mile End,
William
Son 3
London Mile End,
Ada
Daur 1
London Mile End
1891 Census RG12-269 page 135 of
296
CD 21
17 Theydon Road,Bethnal Green
James Whiter Head
Mar 58 French polisher Bethnal Green
Charlotte
wife Mar 57
Mile End
Emma E
daur unm 31 Cricket bat maker
Mile End
Alfred W
son unm 24 French Polisher
Bethnal Green
Mary Ann Clara ( married 1884 q3 London C 1c 137 ) James (married
1882)
and Alice(married 1889) missing
1901 census
RG13-293 page 188 of 385
17 Thoydon Road,Bethnal Green
James Whiter Head Mar 68
French polisher Bethnal Green
Charlotte
wife mar
62
Mile End
Eliza
A
daur S
39 Fancy Belt Maker Mile End
Alfred
son S
34 French
polisher Bethnal Green
Parents of James
John born 1803 Bethnal Green
Which one?
z 1803 abt
John
son of John and
Ann
#1803
John Chr
9th
October
son of
James and Mary
Ann Imber born 1799 Bethnal Green
Married 27th June 1824 at St Johns Hackney
had 8 children
Mary
1826
James
June 1828
John
1829
see 1871 Census extract
William
1831
Thomas
1833
Joseph
1835
George
June 23,1838
Henry
April 28,1840
1884 February 16 ( q1) Notice of Death
John Whiter aged 81 (1802) husband of Ann Imber (who died 1880 Q4)
(possible son of James and Sarah Whiter)
informant Mary Cowley
Data from Cathy who holds the Certificate
1853 Marriage at the Parish Church
of St John the Baptist,Hoxton
after banns
ref 133 7th March 1853
James Whiter of full
age Batchelor
Printer
Hoxton Square
Father John
Whiter
Board Maker
Charlotte Norford of full age
Spinster
Pitfield Street
Father Charles Norford
Engineer
Witnesses: John Jackson Ann Mash?
James born June 1828 Spitalfields
Charlotte born about 1830 Mile End Old Town
Children try BMD's for likely dates!
Charlotte Whiter abt 1854
q1 1854 Bethnal Green
Harriet
abt 1856
q4 1856 Stepney
?
Emma Eliza abt
1858
q1 1859 Mile End
Mary Ann Clara abt 1860
q2 1861 Bethnal Green
Ann
abt 1862 not found
James
abt 1863
q1 1863 Bethnal Green
Alfred William abt
1865 died July 23 1955 q1
1866 Bethnal Green
Alice Celia abt
1870
q2 1870 Bethnal Green
Charlotte's marriage!
same quarter marriage for a Harriet
Whiter (formerly Clarke)
was for the widow of John Whiter to a Thomas Berry
1879 Marriage at St James the Less,Bethnal
Green,Middx
after banns
ref 165 August 3rd 1879
John Thomas Tyson Heap Full
Bachelor Cabinet
Maker 106 St Peters Street
Father John
Heap
(deceased)
Charlotte Whiter
Full
Spinster
106 St Peters Street
Father James
Whiter
French Polisher
witnesses: Thomas W Clementson Eliza Whiter
Charlotte dies q1 1881 Bethnal Green 1 c 164
(no baby listed in deaths for that quarter)
and the Widower is with James and
Charlotte as a Lodger in the 1881 census
From: June Cushway came in via "Genesreunited"!
Now about Alfred W he was my grandfather!
Alfred William Whiter born
1866 died 1952 ( 24 in 1891)
married Elizabeth Mary Ann Ellworth
they had five children as follows:
Elizabeth May born 1904 died 2004 my mother
Alfred Whiter
Anne Whiter
Maude Whiter
Doris Whiter
they were all born in Bethnal Green
1902 Marriage at St Thomas's
Church Parish
of Bethnal Green,County of Middx
after banns
ref 487 May 18th 1902
Alfred Whiter
22 Bachelor French
Polisher 105 Columbia Road
Father William
Whiter French
Polisher
Elizabeth Mary Ann Holdsworth 25
Spinster Launderess
105 Columbia Road
Father Frederick Holdsworth (deceased)
Blacksmith
witnesses: Frederick John Holdsworth Annie Norris
Marriages of the Children
James Whiter (1863) married Rebecca
Morris
date not given
found
BMD 1882 Q3 Stepney 1 c 809 (Both check!)
they had 7 children
James
abt 1883
Bertie Alfred abt 1885
BMD 1888 q1 Mile End
Charlotte abt 1886
Arthur
abt 1887
Edith Lilian abt 1889
William abt
1891
Alice
abt 1893
---------------------------------------------------------
Alice Celia married William Stewart Joysey
11th August 1889
q3 1889 Mile End 1 c 946
( no children
listed )
from Jill William born c 1891 per
1901 Census Mile End
----------------------------------------------------------
1891 Census
RG12-269 Folio 66 page 48
9 Theydon
Road,Bethnal Green
William Stewart Joysey Head Mar 26 Dock Clerk (Harb)
St George E
Alice
C
wife mar
20
Bethnal Green
William
George
son
2mths
Bethnal Green
1901 Census
RG13-335 Folio 58 page 8
42 Lichfield Road,Mile End Old Town
William Stewart Joysey Head mar 36
Commercial Clerk St George E
Alice
C
wife mar
30
Bethnal Green
William
G
son
10
Bethnal Green
1871 Bethnal Green not in any previous census?
From an extract of data by East of London historical society
RG10_484 page 158 of 193
11 Hamilton Road Eolhs data 2 pairs of
twins???
John Whiter Head
Mar 64
(1807) Hawker
Middlesex
Ann
wife Mar
69
(1802)
ditto
John
Head Mar
42 French
Polisher Spitalfields
Caroline
wife Mar 36
Whitechapel
John
son
11 Scholar
ditto??
George
son
11 ditto
Bethnal Green
Catherine daur
9 ditto
ditto
Ann
daur
7 ditto
ditto
Joseph
son
7 ditto
ditto
Mary Ann
daur
3
ditto
RG10_484 page 181 of 193 27 Cordova Street Eolhs data
Charles Whiter Head
Mar 30
Sawyer
Stratford,Essex
Mary wife
Mar 28
Ireland
I think this must have been the Catholic lady that left an impression on Mother
Latest Enquirer via GenesConnected 19th November 2005
Adrianne contact for James Whiter ( Jill ) arkro@actrix.co.nz
I have a James Whiter who married (about 1850) Charlotte Norford.
Certainly from the Bethnal Green area
My links with the Whiters are a bit tenuous.
I actually am only interest in :
The descendents of James Whiter and Charlotte Norford
in so much as Charlotte is the neice of Rachel Norford,
my husbands several time great grandmother!
I have their children as
Charlotte
Harriett
Emma Eliza
Mary Ann
Ann
James
Alfred
Alice
and would like to know where THEY were born and
who their spouses were.
Charlotte Norford their mother is descended through her maternal side from RABY
and CECIL
Possible link from "Pallots"
Marriage in 1834 of Rachel Norford to Jas Whitehead
1841 Census H107/0728-2 pdf p 72 of 117
Minories,Holy Trinity Minories,London
James Whitehead 25 plus
Stationer
yes
Rachel
25
plus
yes
George
3
yes
Rachel
1
yes
24.11.05
many thanks. I noticed one of your whiters married in 1889 you have said no
known children but I have found some. AND been contacted by their desendents.
Jill
25.11.05
Colin Whitehed and his family were my first internet links to the Norford
family. They had been studying the links back to the Raby family in France
(1600) for more than 20 years.
Jill
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