James Joshua Whiter Silk Manufacturer 1802-1886
The Elder! from Warehouseman to Manufacturer in 2 years?
Parents were" James and Sarah Whiter " per baptism record.
James and Sarah Whiter assume 1775 and 1776
They Married 25th July 1796 ( nee Sarah LisInna)
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Children
born
baptised
Rebecca
8th
November 1796 27th November
Sarah 16th August 1798
2nd September
Jane
6th June 1800
22nd June ?
died
James
30th April
1802
23rd May 1802
not father of James Joshua? nor
married to Jane Salter?
Jane
2nd March 1804
25th March
became Jane
Salter? then Jane Speirs
Thomas
1st November 1810 2nd December 1810
1841
census
Sarah 65 abt
1776
Clare Street
Henry 25 abt 1816
Possible fit ??
(Their parents were possibly James and Jane of about 1747)
Details: Addresses for the Family
1838 8 Wellington (Road), Bethnal Green
1841 8 Wellington Row.B G
1851 25 Spital Square,St Marys
1858 Providence House, Ponders End, Enfield.
1861 18 Amherst Road,St Johns,Hackney
1871 Milford House,Stamford Hill,Hackney
1881 48 Kenninghall Road,Hackney
1881 South View,Ravendale Road,Hackney
1886 70 Church Road,Islington
1838 Q1
1838 Entry of Birth Bethnal Green
in the sub-district of Hackney Road,Bethnal Green,Middx
ref 302 20 December 1838 at
8 Wellington Road (Row?)
Elizabeth
Father James
Whiter
Silk Weaver
Mother Jane Whiter formerly Salter
informant J Whiter Father 8 Wellington Road
29
January 1839
Birth of Elizabeth she gets married in 1861! aged 23
1841 Census
James and Jane
Wellington Row B.G.
Census
date
1841
1851 1861
James J
? abt
1802 35#
48
59
baptised 23rd May 1802
Jane nee Salter abt 1801
40
52
63
Jane Rebecca abt 1827
14
baptised 16th May
1827
Marries 1848 Q3
James Joshua
1830
11
baptised
16th May 1830
Marries 1849 Q2
John William
1832
8 19
Baptised 14th October 1832
Marries 1857 Q4
Thomas
1833
7
Baptised 29th December 1833
possible 1858 Q3
Mary
1836
5
possible 1856 Q3 marriage
Elizabeth
1838
3 13
Marries 1861
Louisa
##
9
19
Sarah
1828 ## 13
Marries 1849
1848 Q3
1848 Marriage at the Adelphi Chapel,Bethnal
Green,Middx
Rites and Ceremonies of the Independents.
ref 112 Fourteenth of August 1848
William Hughes full
age
Batchelor Trimming
Manufacturer
9 Cross Steet,Wellington Row
Father William
Hughes
Trimming Manufacturer
Jane Rebecca Whiter full age
Spinster 8 Wellington Row
Father James J
Whiter
Silk Manufacturer
Witnesses: Sarah Whiter (which one?) Thomas Lonsdale
Another Daughter? or Cousin living at same address?
1849 Marriage at the Adelphi
Chapel,Bethnal Green
Rites of Independents
ref 125 Sixth March 1849
Possibly not ours--a second James!
John David Link full age
Batchelor ? String Maker 20 Weaver
Street,B.G.
Father David
Link
? String Maker
Sarah Whiter 20
years Spinster
(1829?)
8 Wellington Row B.G.
Father James
Whiter
Warehouseman?
Witnesses: James Whiter David Link
1849 q2 Marriage E London ll 212
James Joshua Whiter marries Jane Salter (cousin)
note: Jane is daughter of Jane Salter nee Whiter
1851 Census
H107-1543 page 129 of 1329 25 Spital Square St Marys
James Joshua Whiter
Head Mar
21 Silk manufacturer
employing 301 weavers
Bethnal Green
Jane
wife Mar
20
ditto
Jane
daur
1
Old artillery Gro
Mary Ann
Whiter
visitor
15
Bethnal Green
Ellen E
Stevens
servant unm 19 general servant Coleman Streeet
Sarah
Wise
servant unm 27
ditto
Lambeth
1855 Q2 Birth
James Salter Jane's Maiden name was Salter!
1859 q1 Birth
Walter is this the son of James Joshua?
1861 Census
RG9-154 folio 95 page 190 of
252
18 Amhurst Road ,St Johns, Hackney
James Joshua Whiter Head Mar
30
Silk Manufacturer employing 420
persons
Bethnal Green
Jane
wife Mar 29
ditto
Jane
daur
11
Old Artillery ?unmarried
James S(Salter)
son
6
Hackney 1877 Q2
Frederick W?
son
4
Enfield
1881 Q2
Walter
son
2
Enfield
unrecorded
Arthur J
son
1mth
Hackney ?1881 Q1
Another Daughter? or Sister of James Joshua
1861
Marriage at The Congregational Church of Kingsland,in the District of Hackney,Middx
according to the Rites of the Independent Dissenters
Ref 273 Twentysecond August 1861
Daniel Rooke 24 years Bachelor Soap Manufacturer
36 Oakley Road,Islington
Father Charles Rooke Retired Trimming Manufacturer
Elizabeth Whiter 23 years Spinster 18 Amhurst Road,Hackney
Father James Whiter Silk Manufacturer
Witnesses: James Whiter Louisa Whiter (who is she?)
RG10-312 folio 150 page 300 of 301
Milford House,Stamford Hill,Hackney
James J Whiter Head Mar
40 Silk Manufacturer Bethnal Green
Jane
wife mar
39
ditto
Jane (Spiers?) Mother in Law
67
ditto
1877 q2 Marriage in Kent
1881 Census Not sure this is his direct family?
1857 q4 Marriage is this him ? what parentage?
Harriet John William
RG11- 0304 Folio 44 Page 3 48 Kenninghall Rd, Hackney, London
Jno. Wm. WHITER Head
M 48 Silk Manufacturer Bethnal
Grn, Middx
Martha
Wife M 46
Clerkenwell, Middx
Emily
Daur 16 Scholar
Spitalfields, Middx
Gertrude
Daur 15 Scholar
Clapton, Middx
Jno. E.
Son
10 Scholar
Clapton, Middx
Frank
Son
8 Scholar
Clapton, Middx
Annie VAUGHAN Serv U
20 Gen Servant
Calcott, Somerset
1881 census
: Ravendale Rd South View : Hackney, London,
RG11 Piece 0286 Folio 26 Page 46
James Salter WHITER Head M 26
Silk Manuftr Hackney
Esther
Wife M 30
Higham, Kent
Ethel J.
Daur
3
Hackney
Evelyn H.
Son
1
Hackney
Lottie S. FRENCH Niece
U 17 Farmers Daughter Meopham
James H. DAVEY
Visitor U 23 Draper
Exeter
Eliza A. VERINDER Serv
U 19 Nurse
Victoria Park
Emily E. COX
Serv U 23 General Servant
Basserton, Essex,
1886 q3 Death
James 1802? Retired Silk Merchant/Employer
Jane 73 wife of Arthur Whiter,military pensioner
1886 entry of Death
Islington
sub-district of Islington South East
ref 277 Twentyfourth of September 1886 70 Church Road
James Whiter aged 84 years (1802) Retired Silk Merchant
notified by
E Rooke, Daughter, 70 Church Road,Islington
Twentyseventh September 1886
1891 Census
if out of London,wont be on my files!
Corres: via Genesreunited
18.01
Original query lost!
Reply
23.01
26.01
05.02
17.02.05
Hi David - I am so impressed!! At the moment I can only add some
details from copy certificates that I have obtained.
12 May 1849 marr of JJWhiter to Jane Salter at St.Botolphs, Bishopsgate;
both 'minors'; both living at 22 Steward Street;
witnessed by James & Jane Whiter & AM Martin & EN Martin.
10 Dec 1858 birth of Walter,son of JJW & Jane
@ Providence House, Ponders End, Enfield.
1Mar 1939 death of Walter Whiter, aged 80 publishers clerk rtd.,
of 47 Belvedere Road, Penge.
informant:my husband's grandmother, Dora Whiter of Croydon.
I need to obtain more details of the Australian connection.
I know that Walter met & married Elena Griffiths, originally
from Fishguard, in Melbourne, around 1880.
Their children Walter Dudley & Gladys were born there soon after.
I hope to unearth the rest of my material soon, and come back with more.
Thankyou for sharing your research with me... and the web.. Caroline
17.02 reply:
Can add that to the page,so any viewer can see if it fits their lineage.
The Australian lady is more interested in the Cowley family,one of whom married
a Whiter.
Great-grandmother was a Whiter,which is why they interest me,and they
had a inclusive family,which was not so in recent generations
E-mail received 14th April 2005 from The Herseys
More Information!
The Whiters are only of peripheral interest to us really
- I just can't resist the name James Joshua Whiter.
Anyway there is a question mark by one part of your data, viz:
1871 RG10-312 folio 150 page 300 of 301
Milford House,Stamford Hill,Hackney
James J Whiter Head Mar 40 Silk Manufacturer Bethnal
Green
Jane
wife mar
39
ditto
Jane (Spiers?) Mother in Law
67
ditto
Yes the surname is SPIERS - pronounced we believe Spyers.
James Joshua Whiter married his cousin Jane Salter in 1849.
Her mother was born Jane Whiter.
She first married a John Salter and then,
after his death in 1846, she married Charles Spiers.
Charles Spiers makes "my friend Mr James Joshua Whiter"
an executor of his will.
The Spiers are a large and sometimes confusing tribe, many
of whom were silk manufacturers in Spitalfields.
Incidentally, your site doesn't mention trade directories.
If you go to http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
and search for whiter or
salter and whiter (type salter w/3 whiter) you will have some success.
So many thanks for an interesting read - and well done for making
everything freely available.
If you would like further details on any of the above, feel free to contact
us.
Regards
Nick and Anne Hersey
The antecedents of Jane Salter are interesting.
Now to trace the Mother(Jane) to her line!
Loaded 6th February 2005