Interviews

When the label fixed the time and date of my interview concerning the new Nolan/Wakeman project, I was told that Clive Nolan was the one who would call me at home in the coming days. So I was surprised, at first, when I heard the voice of Oliver Wakeman on the other end of the phone when it finally came time to do the interview. But I immediately changed my mood, ‘cause Oliver (with no offense to Clive, who is a great musician as well) is one of my favorite keyboards players, as he has clearly inherited the best musical traits of his famous father, Rick. So let’s start unraveling the hound…

Igor Italiani: Hi Oliver, so you are once again partner in crime with Clive…

Oliver Wakeman: Yeah! We have a lot of fun when we do albums together. Clive lives a couple of hundred miles away from where I live, so sometimes we spend a weekend together, playing something, having a couple of beers. At the end of the day we enjoy a lot working together, as we are good friends too. You know, being friends makes work a lot easier so … we like what we write and we work along great!

II: So now, can you tell me if it was difficult to gather for the second time the huge list of guests at hand for The Hound Of The Baskervilles?

OW: Yes, the people who played on the first album did an excellent job, but we had certain rules when we recorded the second one. We decided again to call mainly members of bands in which we play or with whom we collaborate, [however] this time, for example, we called John Jowitt [IQ] instead of Ian Salmon, because now Ian plays for Arena [which is the main band of Clive Nolan - II] … you know, a lot of people think that there are problems with people who have been in Arena, maybe concerning Clive, but there is none. We enjoy working together, so we just wanted to show that we are friends and we work well together. Obviously some people were available, some others not, and we also wanted to put in some new people as well. For example, Karl Groom engineered the first album, so we thought it would be nice to let him play on the second one. Another one is Michelle [Young], who sang backing vocals on the first album, and now has a song of her own on The Hound….

II: But is there some other artist you and Clive would like to have in the future?

OW: Mmh, yeah, probably there are lots of people that we would like to have as guests in the future… Some people that I would really like to work with are… I don’t know … I’m a big fan of Julian Lennon, I think he is excellent, even if I have lost sight of what he is doing now. You know, he shares the same thing I live, and that’s being the son of a famous musician just trying to do music on his own.

II: Yeah, you could do a great duet…

OW: Yeah, we could do Lennon & Wakeman… sounds good! Well, let me see if I can recall some other ones… wow, there’s hundreds…

II: I was thinking, in this precise moment, about Peter Gabriel…

OW: Oh, it would be great, fantastic. In fact one of my dreams was to work -- I don’t know if you heard about it, but to do an album with Steve Howe, and I’ve finally made it [The 3 Ages Of Magick]. That’s a dream that came true for me! Well, I’ve been truly lucky to actually work with some of the people I’ve dreamed about while I was growing up, so… I don’t know, there are hundreds more, it all depends if they want to work with me, ah, ah, ah…

II: Speaking about the future, do you think you’ll do another Nolan/Wakeman album soon or not?

OW: Oh yes, we will do it. I don’t know how soon it would be, because Clive writes albums with Arena and I compose other solo albums as well; we are very busy and we tend to use gaps between sessions to work on other ideas. We also live away from each other, so it’s not just the case of popping next door and say hello and do some work, you really have to plan your time. I know we want to do another CD, but all I can say at the moment is that hopefully it won’t take three years, maybe only two!!!

II: Oliver, this time you recounted a Doyle novel, so, if you could choose now a story for your third collaboration, what would it be?

OW: Wow, that’s a hard one. We don’t know yet, we talked about 2 or 3 different ideas, but we haven’t made any decision yet. At the moment I think that while we have already gone through 2 classical [pieces of literature], probably we will go again through another one. I don’t think we will venture into some story of [a] sci-fi [nature]. But I’m not gonna tell you what we discussed for the third opus yet, we will save that for a little while longer, eh, eh…

II: OK… in the meantime can you introduce The Hound Of The Baskervilles to the audience? Maybe for someone who still hasn’t listened it?

OW: Well, I have to tell them to listen it! Mmh, I suppose that if I should ask someone who isn’t so sure, I suppose I would ask him if they like a good story, and good music. If they like good stories and good music, and if they want to try something little different from what people usually do, well, give a try to The Hound Of The Baskervilles, hopefully you won’t be disappointed. I think that Clive and I are doing something that nobody else is doing at the moment. I really think that we are the only ones who are doing classic novels mixed with music. I mean, in the seventies there were quite a few. But today, if anybody does concepts, it tends to be their own stories.

II: You recorded and mixed the album at Thin Ice Studios. What’s the best advantage in having a studio all for themselves?

OW: Well, the studio is actually rented out to other artists as well, so we couldn’t use it whenever we wanted to, we had to book it in advance. In fact I had the studio booked the month before The Hound… to do the other album of mine, so I had to stop Clive from coming in sometimes, ah, ah, ah… The advantage is that it is in the same building as the record company, however both me and Clive have personal studios as well, so we can do an awful lot of work before we even enter the Thin Ice Studios. When we are in the Thin Ice Studios we work very carefully. Obviously we have a lot of fun, but we also look for everything to be used in the best way possible, because an album like The Hound… is really expensive. So we have to make sure we stay within a budget, to keep the record company happy. Another thing is that Karl is great at working in the studio, so it’s excellent to have a person like him that handles a lot of stuff, too. I like Karl’s work a lot.

II: But it’s true that you had some problems with the recordings?

OW: Well, what happened originally was that we planned to record the album early last year, and we started, but we suddenly realized that all the people we would like to get onto the record were doing different things. Peter Banks for example was also tied up for my solo album, so the first three months of the year I had to work on that, too. Finally it came down to finding out when the other musicians were free to play on The Hound…. Personally I wanted to remain in the studio for only 6 weeks, but it wasn’t possible. Nevertheless, the fact that it took a little more time gave us the opportunity to work on it a little bit longer, so in the end we had a better result, I think.

II: Do you think you’ll be able to do at least some shows with The Hound…or Jabberwocky?

OW: Yeah, I really hope to do some concerts. It would be really good fun; I think it would be a very good show. The problem obviously is finding the time again to get the musicians together, but you know … never say never. We are not planning a tour at the moment, but it would be good to see it happen. Keep the fingers crossed!

II: Talking about live shows, I think that almost always the best places to play conceptual prog albums are theaters. What’s your opinion on that one?

OW: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that theaters are great, because they are set up for a show. You know, gigs are great, you can get great atmosphere in a gig, but the theater has something special. I would like to do more theater shows, I think that would be wonderful.

II: Oliver, the concept albums you play on so brilliantly are having a sort of rebirth in England, or not? I mean, do you think prog rock can return to prominence soon or not?

OW: I hope so, certainly it would make my life easier, ah, ah. You know, England has lots of talented musicians, but radio stations, magazines and TV stations are really set up for pop music, so there’s not much you can do about it. It seems the situation is slowly getting better, but I think that it will be hard to see the same scene we had back in the seventies. In other countries, for example, you find great shops who still have a lot of prog music; in this country you don’t, and this can be very frustrating. I probably sell more records in Germany or Holland than I do in England, which is a bit strange being English. All I can do is keep working and hoping that the situation will change someday. I think that maybe it could take only a couple of artists to make the public realize that there’s more under the same bands that we see everyday on TV.

II: The beautiful sound you have is linked to the one of the 70s. Is there also something you really like of the music scene of today?

OW: Yeah, I like a lot of music styles. Nu-metal, I like some of it; and it’s the same for every type of music, I always like some of it. I worked on a radio station for 3 years, and I used to play prog and rock music, and I also used to play some strange music. I used to play anything that wasn’t being played anywhere else, I always chose unusual music, so I got to learn other types of music very quickly. There are always good musicians in every form… for example, I’m not a major jazz fan, but I enjoy some of it. The only music I’m not really keen on is dance and pop music. For me, as a piano player, a lot of my music comes through emotions, putting your soul into the music, and unfortunately I don’t see it displayed in pop music. In my opinion, this genre is not designed to let your emotions really flow. It’s OK, but I don’t get the feeling in listening to that.

II: Yes, same as I. Now can you tell me something about the new Michelle Young record where Clive played and managed production? You know, I prepared this question for Clive…

OW: Oh, fine… well, Michelle is excellent. She is very, very good. I like her new album a lot. Actually I’ve listened to it quite a few times. The album has a lot of great songs, and I also think that she sang brilliantly in the song she did for The Hound… [“By Your Side”]. We asked her to do lead vocals but she did also the backing vocals in a wonderful way, and we couldn’t ask for more!

II: Oliver, can you tell me about your beginnings as a keyboard player, because you are also the son of one of the main keyboards players of rock.

OW: Well, my dad, while I was growing up, was always away on tour. He was always very busy, so I started off just sitting at his piano, and told myself to practice hard. Over the years I also went to classical lessons, and then I went and played in the pubs, so my beginnings as a keyboardist were a sum of these three things: playing on my own, then going to lessons, and then playing in the pub when I was an early teenager. I’d like to say that I’ve learnt as much from myself and playing in pubs, that I did from my classical training. Classical training can teach you how to read or to move your fingers correctly, but playing piano on your own teaches you to write your music, and playing in a pub, in front of people, teaches you how to deal with the response of an audience. I think you can’t learn music from just one of these aspects, you have to go through all three.

II: OK, Oliver. I have one final curiosity… is there the possibility to see you, Adam, and your father Rick playing together on the same stage?

OW: Mmh, I don’t know. I mean, dad has worked with Adam an awful lot, and I don’t mind doing a little show here and there with him as well, but I personally prefer to do things on my own; even if I like a lot what Adam and Rick do together. I’d like people to think that I can actually work hard as other people to try to make music… I know that some people will see that Rick is my dad, but I’d like people to think that I’m working for myself and on my own.

II: Yeah, I can understand, even if it could be a dream that you, Adam and Rick are surrounded by castles of keyboards…

OW: Ah, ah, ah…it would be good fun. You know, when I was younger one of my problems, I think, was that I hadn’t done any music, and I wanted to have people recognize me as a songwriter on my own, not because I’m Rick’s son. So, once I get myself more established, you know, it may happen. I think we could unleash a lot of power from all those keyboards.

II: OK, Oliver. That’s enough. Thank you for the wonderful talk and I hope to see you here in Italy as soon as possible?

OW: Oh, thank you. Let me say a big hello to all the prog fans! It’s great to have these fans, who are so dedicated to this kind of music; they are so genuinely interested in what you write when you compose. They really do care about everything that’s around the realization of a record, like in the old days. It’s very rewarding for me to get that, as a writer and as a composer, because they pay attention to everything you do, and this makes you work harder. Just thank you to all of you.

It was BOTY (Best of the Year - Classic Rock Society annual awards - ed) Award's Night and Bernard Law took time out to chat with Clive Nolan and Oliver Wakeman about their latest project The Hound Of The Baskervilles.

Between the sound check and the first act of the evening, Bernard Law took the opportunity to meet with Clive Nolan and Oliver Wakeman in a quiet corner of the dressing room to discuss the up coming release of the keyboards duo's second album 'The Hound of The Baskervilles.' But the conversation began with a light hearted warning from Clive.

"I tell lies all the time in interviews," he laughed. ''I tell everyone something different. So the stories in different magazines don't match. But yours is the first interview this time, so it will be nearer to the truth Probably!"

We'd best start with some facts then. "The album's pressed, done and ready. The promotional copies are out and the album will be released on February 4th,a Clive confirms. The duo's much admired first album 'Jabberwocky' includes lots of wonderful music and a host of featured appearances from many in the classic rock realm The new album continues in a similar vein.

"Yes, it's similar to 'Jabberwocky' in that there are loads of guests, like Bob Catley on vocals, Arjen Lucassen on guitar, John Jowitt on bass, Tony Fernandez an drums There's loads and loads of them! You'd be better look on the album sleeve for the full list,', Clive continued.

Oliver Wakeman joined in. "we didn't ask Dad (Rick) to be involved this time though. He was great on 'Jabberwocky', but this time as it's more structured - narration based - we needed someone with a more commanding voice. So we asked Robert Powell. He has that really dramatic voice.''

"Working with Rick was fun though," Clive confirmed. "He did the narration on Jabberwocky because we didn't need a third keyboard player really But it was great fun working with him."

Clive and Oliver actually met via a mutual friend, Arena's drummer Mick Pointer. "He was the point of contact, and it grew from there really," said Oliver "When we come together to produce the music we actually co-write. we come together with various bits and pieces we've worked on separately and work on them together until we're both happy But sometimes in the studio we get bored with what we're working on and play around with other stuff! Some of the music on 'Hound of the Baskervilles' was around when we were working on 'Jabberwocky' because of that.

A smiling Clive took up the story. 'We wrote sixty-seven minutes of music, but binned some material. We had five songs to begin with. It is fun to do, and a challenge, but we had something to work from."

"Things are virtually finished before we start working together in a way We have bags of ideas. we just need a strategy and tickle it along," Oliver concluded.

Many people know of the 'Hound of the Baskervilles', and indeed any Sherlock Holmes stories through the television or films. There's one very good old black and white film version featuring Basil Rathbone as Holmes, and a not so clever Hammer version too.

"This album's based on the book rather than the film," Oliver stated. "We're both massive Sherlock Holmes fans. It was a great advantage really knowing the story so well before we started on the music."

Again Clive started laughing. Unfortunately, we had to change the ending. We wanted specific voices at the close, particular people singing. Regrettably that means the ending is nearer to the Hammer film ending because of it But the main events in the book are all there."

With a concept album, it's very important that all the various facets gel. with a great cast of musicians and singers it would be disappointing not to have excellent sound production, and 'Hound of the Baskervilles' certainly has that. Clive and Oliver along with Karl Groom, whose guitar work also makes an appearance, produced the album. But quite often it's the whole package that makes successful albums, including the graphics. Many classic albums wouldn't quite have the same feel in the wrong sleeve! The artwork for 'The Hound of the Baskervilles' is quite atmospheric and sets the scene well.

"The artist Peter Pracownik did all the paintings for the album. It's all very Gothic. You might know his work from some of his other pieces. He did the sleeve for the Limp Bizkit album. We are really pleased with how it looks. But I did all the design and the layout" explained Oliver.

Clive, as you would expect, has been extremely busy with commitments to Pendragon and up coming work with the new Arena album and undoubted tour. Oliver too has his projects and design work. with such tight schedules and the need to plan sometimes a year ahead, making plans to work together can be nearly impossible.

"Well, Hound of the Baskervilles had a two year gestation period It makes it difficult because there's so much to do. We will hopefully do a third album together though. We're getting pretty used to writing together as a team. We'd probably work with fewer people but do more with them next time. We've ideas for a concept, that's not a problem. It will be a literary selection again, but we're not telling you what it is," Clive said coyly. "In fact, there are several ideas. But remember there's the budget factor too. It takes time and money to do it properly." Given the standard of the music and the wonderful capabilities of the various people involved there would be a lot of people who would enjoy seeing the album performed live. Clive shakes his head. 'We're not likely to tour with it. There would be too much messing. Everyone is busy Bob Catley will be back working with Magnum, Robert Powell wouldn't be available. "Some of the other musicians wouldn't be available. we have talked about it though, and we would love to do it. But it's got to be practical. we could possibly go out as a five piece and do selections from both albums. That is something we have discussed But even then it would be incredibly difficult with all the other commitments we all have There is the possibility of one of the Progfests, but the offer really needs to match the practicalities Even then, it would still be incredibly difficult."

Oliver took up the theme, "We'd love to do a launch party too, but again we couldn't get everyone together There's probably somewhere in London with a great atmosphere we could use - a pub or club that would have the right feel. But it won't happen because of the practicalities It's pretty much impossible".

With the changing room becoming fuller and noisier and Clive, Oliver and myself keen to catch the stage bound Damian Wilson's set, Clive had just one more thing to remind me, "The Hound of the Baskervilles' is available on Verglas, Catalogue number VGCD022'. He could even remember that! The truth is out there!"